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- Sat Nov 04, 2023 2:21 am
- Forum: You Want It Darker
- Topic: Thought on "You Want it Darker"
- Replies: 15
- Views: 40832
Re: Thought on "You Want it Darker"
I simply don't buy your assertion that Cohen the private individual was somehow significantly different from the public guy such that he held a different and separate set of beliefs and world views from those he presented publicly -- including through his work. And, I think that it is frankly absur...
- Sat Nov 04, 2023 12:16 am
- Forum: You Want It Darker
- Topic: Thought on "You Want it Darker"
- Replies: 15
- Views: 40832
Re: Thought on "You Want it Darker"
...You have to realize... Clearly, you believe yourself to be indisputably right, and therefore there is no point in my continuing this futile exchange. Apologies if it came across that way, definitely not my intent. I'm open to other interpretations, this is just my take after reading him for a fe...
- Fri Nov 03, 2023 3:10 am
- Forum: You Want It Darker
- Topic: Thought on "You Want it Darker"
- Replies: 15
- Views: 40832
Re: Thought on "You Want it Darker"
...Cohen was a self-professed Jew, but likely only in public image. With how famous he was, and how entrenched he was in the Jewish community, he knew that becoming openly atheist would cause a stir. So God remains a theme in his work, but to me it's an ambiguous, generic God, and only there to pay...
- Thu Nov 02, 2023 7:31 pm
- Forum: You Want It Darker
- Topic: Thought on "You Want it Darker"
- Replies: 15
- Views: 40832
Re: Thought on "You Want it Darker"
It's interesting that you took the song as a vilification of God. Personally I've never seen it that way. I always viewed the song as a vilification of people themselves. Cohen was a self-professed Jew, but likely only in public image. With how famous he was, and how entrenched he was in the Jewish ...
- Tue Oct 31, 2023 3:26 pm
- Forum: You Want It Darker
- Topic: The history and age of 'Treaty'
- Replies: 2
- Views: 4607
Re: The history and age of 'Treaty'
Thanks for that. Interesting that it dates back to the mid-eighties, as when I analyze the song I can definitely sense a relationship with Hallelujah, thematically.
- Tue Oct 31, 2023 2:44 am
- Forum: You Want It Darker
- Topic: The history and age of 'Treaty'
- Replies: 2
- Views: 4607
The history and age of 'Treaty'
Hi all, I'm wondering if anyone can help me out. A few years ago when I was reading in depth about Cohen I recall seeing somewhere that the lyrics for the song 'Treaty' were started (maybe) decades before they actually appeared on his final album, You Want it Darker. I've been trying to confirm that...
- Fri Apr 22, 2022 4:22 am
- Forum: Leonard Cohen's poetry and novels
- Topic: Question about Parasites of Heaven - Context / Re-Appraisal
- Replies: 9
- Views: 9964
Re: Question about Parasites of Heaven - Context / Re-Appraisal
I've been going through this title again and here's my take after sitting with it for a while.. Around this time in Cohen's life he was going through a major transition in his writing style. In 'Let Us Compare Mythologies' and 'The Spice-Box of Earth' there is major influence from Irving Layton, and...
- Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:58 pm
- Forum: Leonard Cohen's poetry and novels
- Topic: Greece Poems
- Replies: 4
- Views: 8830
Re: Greece Poems
I believe his entire set of poetry was re-issued around the time of his death - I bought the lot of it this year. But I couldn't speak to availability around the world. https://www.amazon.ca/Flowers-Hitler-Leonard-Cohen/dp/0771024517/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=flowers+for+hitler&qid=160676...
- Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:22 pm
- Forum: Leonard Cohen's poetry and novels
- Topic: Leonard Cohen 'vs' Bob Dylan
- Replies: 5
- Views: 12125
Re: Leonard Cohen 'vs' Bob Dylan
It's really comparing apples and oranges. Cohen was a stronger writer, but Dylan's music resonated with more people. So who was the 'better' writer, and why is someone awarded a Nobel? I love Cohen's writing far more than I do Dylan's, but much of it was very self-involved and esoteric, while Dylan ...
- Thu Nov 26, 2020 9:54 pm
- Forum: Leonard Cohen's poetry and novels
- Topic: Question about Parasites of Heaven - Context / Re-Appraisal
- Replies: 9
- Views: 9964
Re: Question about Parasites of Heaven - Context / Re-Appraisal
I think that most of us around here can say the same thing! Leonard seemed, at various times and in various ways, to capture every element of life, every experience, every emotion, etc., such that one can almost always find within his body of work parallels to one's own life, and ideas that resonat...
- Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:48 pm
- Forum: Leonard Cohen's poetry and novels
- Topic: Question about Parasites of Heaven - Context / Re-Appraisal
- Replies: 9
- Views: 9964
Re: Question about Parasites of Heaven - Context / Re-Appraisal
That's excellent that you derived something positive from that thesis -- it seemed thoughtful and well-written. And, definitely, going through an artist's entire body of work provides a more thorough basis on which to appreciate them, as one can follow their evolution as an artist -- and to some de...
- Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:53 pm
- Forum: Comments & Questions
- Topic: Leonard Cohen albums ranked worst-to-best...Far Out Magazine
- Replies: 4
- Views: 5051
Re: Leonard Cohen albums ranked worst-to-best...Far Out Magazine
Ranking Cohen's albums is a sorry state of affairs, and I suspect Cohen wouldn't look at his own catalogue this way. You can't compare Cohen's albums in the same way you'd compare Beatles albums - because they're more about poetry and philosophy than they are music. Cohen's music is the result of a ...
- Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:55 pm
- Forum: Leonard Cohen's poetry and novels
- Topic: Question about Parasites of Heaven - Context / Re-Appraisal
- Replies: 9
- Views: 9964
Re: Question about Parasites of Heaven - Context / Re-Appraisal
Thanks for the reply. I agree, I'm usually not too quick to base my opinion of poetry on the reviews of others. Although I did find the paper you posted interesting and it definitely had me look at Cohen's work in a new light. Actually, this year with the pandemic I finally got around to reading the...
- Wed Oct 14, 2020 5:27 am
- Forum: Leonard Cohen's poetry and novels
- Topic: Question about Parasites of Heaven - Context / Re-Appraisal
- Replies: 9
- Views: 9964
Re: Question about Parasites of Heaven - Context / Re-Appraisal
Thanks for the paper, I found it with some quick Googling and have gone through the chapter on Parasites of Heaven. Interesting read, I'll have to go through the rest of it at a later time.
- Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:21 pm
- Forum: Leonard Cohen's poetry and novels
- Topic: Question about Parasites of Heaven - Context / Re-Appraisal
- Replies: 9
- Views: 9964
Question about Parasites of Heaven - Context / Re-Appraisal
I'm hoping to learn a bit more about Parasites of Heaven in this thread. I find this an interesting book as the poetry is distinct from most of his other work. A quick look at reviews and comments online and it seems like most people don't like it / it wasn't well received / and it was considered a ...