How to flag Valencia clip as inappropriate

[Okudzhava]

Dem, see my edited post.

[Okudzhava]

Nevermind, just saw your edit --

"Sorry but I am always for the truth
no matter how ugly it is."

- okey-dokey then.

[Bela]

Okudzhava, what about the film showing JF Kennedy being shot? Would you want it destroyed?

[Okudzhava]

The one where his brain bursts out? Nope, I'd leave that one to the police's archive.

[tomsakic]

It's not the same.

As Okudzhava points out, some footage are for police archive, and if somebody wishes to see it, then it's the typical hunger for sensationalism and gossips. And of course, you can have maybe your moment of fame - the TV news so far didn't have the shot of Cohen fainting, but maybe now they can add this YouTube clip. Is it me, says the tourist with camera, who will incidentally record the falling down of the Twins, or maybe Leonard Cohen fainting down at stage in 75th year of life, or maybe John Lennon being shot, or somebody driving down the highway in wrong direction, or the kid shooting other kids with his father's gun in local school.

I know what Dem means, and I agree; but what's problematic here is that people are lost in sense of decency. It was in public, he's public person, we admire his professionalism and will to perform and his artistry, but the reason for this upload surely wasn't to show Leonard as an artist, but it's based in deep lack of ethical ground which is common nowadays, caused by all the media which surround us. So, I agree with Dem, but on the other side, the publishing of this video I can see only as typical "Big Bother era" attitude, lack of due respect and sense of good taste for somebody's integrity.

[Dem]

Hmmm, Tom what you say makes me think that perhaps
there are two different issues here:

a)Uploading this video clip

and

b)Deleting this video clip

Maybe I am splitting hairs here
but I think these are two different things.

If I were the person who had shot that moment
with my camera I most probably wouldn't have upload it.

But now that it is available I don't want it suppressed.

I hope you understand the subtle difference between the two.

Anyway, all I want to say now is that I hope Leonard will be
back on this superb tour very soon!

Dem

[tomsakic]

I see what you're saying, Dem. I don't want to censor anybody, and I surelly cannot that person learns some ethics.

Of course I can do what I did, I flagged it, I blocked the user, I wrote my comment, and I hope that many others will do what they feel. So much from me.



I will add only that it's nice to see fans reacting to this. I'd only suggest to restrain of any typical endless discussion, which already started there on YouTube comments. One comment and flagging is enough for the statement, which this thread and flagging is.

[Evie B]

Whatever other people decide about viewing this clip, regardless of the fact that it happened in public it was still a private few moments when Leonard - because of his illness - had no choice but to be seen in public in a situation over which he had no control. Also, I have no wish to see the distress of the other members of the band.

I suppose, putting myself in that situation, I would prefer not to be the object of morbid curiosity, so I will pay Leonard that courtesy and opt not to view the Valencia clip.

Although he is said to be feeling better now, following a nasty bout of 'Spanish tummy' few people would be feeling completely fit after such a short time. I just hope he is able to celebrate his 75th birthday in some fashion, even if he is unable to perform in Barcelona.

He has given us all so much, my dearest wish is that he feels all our love holding him close and binding him tight.

Evie B

[bene449]

I have tried half a dozen times to post the following on Youtube, but it won't let me.

"I run http://www.leonardcohencafe.co.uk and can tell you that this video is distressing to many people, including myself. Decency should suggest that you take this off."

[Okudzhava]

"bene449", that's because Youtube's comment section doesn't allow posting of other links. I suggest you write "Leonard Cohen's forum" or "'Leonard Cohen Cafe' site" or whatever instead of direct link.

[bene449]

many thanks, will do so now

[Rodali50]

I have been a Leonard Cohen fan for a long time and have the deepest love and respect for him and his music. It was most distressing to hear of his collapse and I'm so happy that it was something relatively minor and he is recovering nicely.

However I have to come in on the side of leaving the clip up on YouTube. After considering flagging the clip as inappropriate - I thought long and hard about this -
Has Leonard Cohen ever been in favor of censorship? I think not.

[bridger15]

Being the first day of Rosh Hashonah, I would not ordinarily fire up my computer this morning. It is time to go to Synagogue services. However, I did want to check the Forum to see if Leonard was okay.

There is one related issue to this thread, the omission of the Israel concert in several media reports, one of which was quoted on this Forum.

After leaving Spain Cohen was due to perform next at the BankAtlantic Center in Sunrise, Florida on Oct. 17, his Web site said.

No Mod on this Forum has stepped in to "edit/correct" with one of your comments in red to reassure loyal and deeply caring fans about the blatant omission of the Tel Aviv concert in the media reports.

This may be a case of one anti-Israel wire service report being picked up and reprinted by other news outlets for convenience. However, It reminds me of the the days when some mapmakers chose to "omit" the nation of Israel from their the maps.

I expect integrity from this Forum and I am disappointed.

[UrPal]

I've watched the video and agree with dem on this one.

Coincidentally only a few days ago a thread was posted showing Cohen struggling to carry on with and ultimately walking off stage at a concert back in the early 70s:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=17909&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMhgQOdM ... re=related

None of the responses to that youtube video suggested any outrage from the members that viewed it and most regarded it as insightful and of great value .

The video of Valencia last night seems to me to bookend that 1972 footage. One shows a young man struggling with his demons during a gig and choosing to walk off rather than continue a performance he considers substandard in order simply to please his crowd. The other shows the same man, now much older, attempting against the odds to continue with a live performance and please his crowd whilst struggling with a physical illness which ultimately gets the better of him and compels him to discontinue.

Both seem to me to show Leonard Cohen in an admirable light as an artist of integrity, and recognise at the same time that he shares the same human frailties, and capacities for failure, as the rest of us.

[UrPal]

Being the first day of Rosh Hashonah, I would not ordinarily fire up my computer this morning. It is time to go to Synagogue services. However, I did want to check the Forum to see if Leonard was okay.

There is one related issue to this thread, the omission of the Israel concert in several media reports, one of which was quoted on this Forum.

After leaving Spain Cohen was due to perform next at the BankAtlantic Center in Sunrise, Florida on Oct. 17, his Web site said.

No Mod on this Forum has stepped in to "edit/correct" with one of your comments in red to reassure loyal and deeply caring fans about the blatant omission of the Tel Aviv concert in the media reports.

This may be a case of one anti-Israel wire service report being picked up and reprinted by other news outlets for convenience. However, It reminds me of the the days when some mapmakers chose to "omit" the nation of Israel from their the maps.

I expect integrity from this Forum and I am disappointed.

The reason for the media error is a common one: the journalist has referred to an out of date tour dates list posted at LeonardCohen.com (the official Sony-run website) rather than the up-to-the-minute and more accurate Leonard Cohen Files site run by Jarkko:

http://www.leonardcohen.com/tour.cgi