So sad Mr.Dylan, so sad

Kush · Post by **Kush** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 2:40 pm

Yes E, I've seen Bruce live a number of times. I would go so far as to say he's the true song-and-dance man. He and the E-Street have a real brotherhood thing going - you can see it whem they play.
I'm not really from NY - I've lived here 2 years now. The winters are damn cold and it snows in March and the drivers here tailgate way too much (Long Island). But other than that I have no complaints.

I like Street Legal I didnt make the Springsteen connection until just now.

Tim - Darkness on the Edge of Town is a must have along with Tom Joad. For compilations, Greatest Hits is a very nice collection and he's written a few lines about each of the songs which is just great. I don't have the new Essential collection but it looks really comprehensive. The Rising has some really great songs but I thought it was a bit too long, too many fillers.
And for the concert experience please please get the DVD Live in NYC. I promise you will thank me for recommending it.

Epurcelly · Post by **Epurcelly** » Tue Apr 20, 2004 8:18 pm

Kush- I agree. The Ghost of Tom Joad is one of my favorites. Rising is OK, bad production though...

September_Cohen · Post by **September_Cohen** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 3:09 am

You know what is the better music shit those days...There is a Jennifer lopez movie in theatres these days. Jersey Girl. But at the credit...the director has not insert the fabulous song of Tom waits "Jersey Girl"...but the pueril version of a pretentious Bruce Springsteen

Kush · Post by **Kush** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 3:54 am

hey SC you seem to have a problem with anybody other than your holy trinity

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What's your opinion of Woody Guthrie as a songwriter?

E - if you have the 18 tracks CD, there is an outtake from Tom Joad called Brothers on the Bridge which is a real classic. Instead for some reason he put that really crazy song in the CD - 'My best wasnt good enough'

Epurcelly · Post by **Epurcelly** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 5:03 am

Hey SC- I wonder if Waits considered Bruce a "pretentious" teen idol while singing Jersey Girl live with him. Or during the taping of "A Black and White Night- Roy Orbison"

Kush- Nebraska is also one of my top Bruce records. And the fact that it is a four track recording is inspiring to a lonely home recorder.

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 4:32 pm

From today's segment of E-Verse Radio:

Top Five Headlines Reporting on Bob Dylan Personally Appearing in an Ad for Women's Lingerie:

1. Hey Mr. Lingerie Man (Daily Telegraph)
2. Tangled Up in Boobs (MSN)
3. The Pants They Need a-Changing (Irish Times)
4. Victoria's Secret? Bob Dylan (The Globe and Mail)
5. Ad Sends Dylan's Status as 60s Icon Blowin' in the Wind (East Valley Tribune)

Kush · Post by **Kush** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 6:49 pm

Nebraska was my first Springsteen album back in 1980something. He called it the ultimate homemade demo cut in his bedroom.

p.s. I noted elsewhere that you recently got hold of Scott Walker. He's A+.
Best to listen his 4 albums as Scott 1 through Scott 4 in sequence. One of the few singer-songwriters who can actually sing rather than carry a tune.

Epurcelly · Post by **Epurcelly** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 7:44 pm

Kush- I am all about Mr. Walker these days. 2 being my current favorite. I also like the Walker Brothers stuff a whole lot.

Kush · Post by **Kush** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 5:08 am

E - since you like Guy Clarke, TVZ as well as Scott Walker here's another guy I recommend Jimmie Dale Gilmore (my apologies if you've already heard him). This guy can really sing - a vocal stylist from West Texas. he writes some songs in his albums and covers others like TVZ, Hancock, and many others. All of these guys acknowledge TVZ as their inspiration.

Gilmore's voice is not baritone like Walker but more of a high nasal tenor type. Also he dabbled with Hinduism at one point but is now a practicing Buddhist, so his albums are often called 'Country and Eastern'.
I'd strongly recommend his two most recent albums - 'One Endless Night' and 'Braver Newer World'.

Moonlight · Post by **Moonlight** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:53 pm

Kush,

You said there were

two terrific covers albums of Dylan songs by prominent gospel and blues singers of the south.

Since I love gospel and blues (and bluegrass) could you give me the names of these albums. I have gotten the Dylan Essentials but haven't cracked the cellophane yet. I'm going on a long trip next week (not to the woodshed!) and will give Dylan a go then.

M

Kush · Post by **Kush** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 7:54 pm

My pleasure Moonlight. And you're in luck...there is a bluegrass tribute too. Here are the details and the amazon.com links for samples.

Gotta Serve Somebody: Gospel Songs of Bob Dylan
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... 03-2242339

All Blues'd Up! Bob Dylan
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... 03-2242339

Tangled Up In Bluegrass: A Tribute to Bob Dylan
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... 03-2242339
(This one is only instrumental)

The All Blues'd Up album is a small label import (Holland) and is harder to get although I found it at a local store. The other two should be easily available.

Moonlight · Post by **Moonlight** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:17 pm

Kush,

Thanks, I appreciate the info. I used the links and ordered from the Big A. I was raised on Bill Monroe and so am especially intrigued by the Tangled Up in Bluegrass. The CD's should get here before my long drive. I hope I don't OD on Dylan.

M

glyn · Post by **glyn** » Wed May 12, 2004 5:14 pm

I don't know where I went wrong but two of my children buy The Sun regularly (for those of you who don't know the pits of the gutter press) and my son tells me that Dylan has asked if he can be a judge on Pop Idol in Britain! He read this in the paper.

Moonlight · Post by **Moonlight** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 8:19 pm

Hi Kush,

Just an update and a thank-you for the info again. I loved the Tangled Up in Blue and Gospel album. As for Bob Dylan, himself, I like the older Dylan better. In fact, "Not Dark Yet" is now my favorite song. I went out and bought Love and Theft and Time Out of Mind...and am playing them constantly. Which is what I do when I find something I really like...and then I get sick of it. Then I wait a few months and go back to it. (I do the same thing with Leonard Cohen's music...right now I'm sick of him.

) Please don't anybody shoot me!

As for Dylan's earlier music I liked some of it...but I would find myself dreading the inevitable harmonica interlude...don't get me wrong I'm sure he's a great harmonica player...but the harmonica has the same effect on me that bagpipes had on Samuel Johnson.

I have a friend who told me a story about Dylan and I was wondering if it were true or apocryphal. I'd like to run down the source. It seems that Dylan back in the days of the 60s was being followed by the FBI as he traveled around the country. The KGB were following the FBI and Dylan. Dylan realizes he's being followed by both sides and one day stops the charade and invites everybody to lunch. So, the FBI, the KGB and Dylan sit down, have lunch and begin disucussing politics and world events. Dylan and the FBI were having a deep discussion on who the "real" enemy was. Was it Capitalism? Was it Communism? Was it Socialism? The KGB kept silent while all this wrangling was going on. Then one of them spoke up and said, "NO, you are all wrong. The Real Enemy is TELEVSION."

I sure hope this story is true...if it isn't...it should be. So I'm looking for the source. If anyone can help me I'd appreciate it.

The same friend also told me that Leonard Cohen wrote "A Singer Must Die" after he learned he was on Nixon's enemies list. Well, who wasn't on the list. I think it had over 600 names.

Does anybody know if this is true. I feel like the National Enquirer.

M

lightning · Post by **lightning** » Sat Jun 05, 2004 9:02 pm

Moonlight, The story breaks down when it says Dylan invited the FBI man to lunch. Policemen and government agents also, I expect, are not allowed to accept gifts, food, or treats from civilians, especially those under surveillance. They aren't there to socialize or put themselves on equal social footing with their target. I'd file the non sequitur answer "television" under "apocryphal," especially if no souce can be quoted. Dylan might have said that in interview somewhere, and the story got invented.
Cohen was not upfront as many others in opposing the Viet Nam War so I would be surprised if Nixon were concerned with him.
Still there may have been some government threat that made Dylan want to keep his mouth shut or garble his words as he did last time he sang Masters of War on television.