Announcement of the Nov 27 concert in Phnom Penh

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tigerm
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bene449 wrote:Wendy, thanks for your reply. I expected to be shot down as many people are unwilling to accept any form of criticism of Leonard and his management.

I don't think there really is any defense. I feel sad for people who have spent thousands of $$$ on the Phnom Penh and Hawaii shows. It is one thing cancelling for illness/bereavements but another to cancel for 'logistics'. Generally, for most artists in a world tour, they avoid playing places with 'logistical' challenges like Hawaii or Phnom Penh. Most artists that play Hawaii tend to accept that they will lose money and tend to do it just to reach their fans.

However, I believe AEG are the paymasters on this tour and they effectively can cut the strings on any date. I am sure LC's managers protested but I am sure it was AEG who made the cuts.
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I share the major disappointment of the cancelled show. If there was more notice, I would have flow to Australia/NZ to catch the tour.

If ticket sales were an issue, they should have simply moved it to a smaller venue, stripped down the performance. I tend to agree that it was a political issue where someone's palm was not getting greased.

I don't know if the $50k donation to the Red Cross makes up for this mess.
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I think we have to be philosophical about this. Of course it's disappointing but this was a concert that always seemed too good to be true somehow anyway.

Concert-goers in this part of the world have probably got used to this sort of thing by now because it's an new market as far as concert promotion goes and nobody is quite sure what will work and what won't. I have lost count of the number of concerts that have been canceled in Bangkok over the years, from the Rolling Stones (on the day of the gig) to Brad Melhdau and Lang Lang, all for vague reasons. And none of them have ever come back, despite promises to the contrary. For this reason, I always delay spending money on hotels and travel until as late as possible!

As someone else mentioned we must remember it's not the artist that bears the financial cost of a loss-making show, it's the promoter and they are a business. However, I believe we must thank both Leonard and the promoter for trying to make this happen, because without both artists and promoters taking these sorts of risks the music scene in SE Asia will never develop.

With a bit of luck our paths will cross with Leonard's at some point in the future but until then we will have to be content with the great concerts we have seen so far.
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This is really, really disappointing. I was really looking forward to this event. I was going to just spend the weekend in Phnom Penh with my wife. Fortunately I hadn't book any flights or hotels.

I missed the previous tour, only hearing about it after it had passed through Australia.
Now it's a bit late to try to organise a trip down under.

Too bad.

I got offered a CD in my 'concert postponed' email. Did everyone get that offer?

Sad.

P :(
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bene449 wrote:The next question we need to ask is who was the genius who thought there were enough Cambodians who were willing to pay a months wages to see Leonard Cohen in concert.
Actually for the average Cambodian $300 to $600 could be as much as a year's income for a provincial farmer.

In terms of local expats there are certainly lots of them here (10,000+) but the majority like volunteers, teachers, middle management would not be on high enough salary to justify the ticket pricing and then not all of the expat's that could afford would want to go anyway.

I do live here and can afford it but had not yet bought tickets as I was outside the country and busy, the ticket prices certainly gave me pause for thought.

Does anybody think there is any chance that this will be rescheduled or is that just BS?
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This was probably never supposed to be for average or even wealthy Cambodians; it's hard to believe they know much about LC. Being the only concert in SE Asia the idea was surely to attract people from all over the region - one look at the partner organisations tells you that. That's fair enough because people think nothing of traveling all over Europe and the US to reach these events. However it looks like the tickets were just not selling fast enough (the lowest priced ticket zones were still selling row A last week).

The more I think about it I also wouldn't be surprised if there was some political/financial aspect involved which AEG was unable/unwilling to overcome/countenance. In that case it maybe a good thing the concert stands canceled.

Guess that's probably also the end of Dylan's mooted visit to the region in that case. Maybe he will swing by Singapore or Bangkok instead.

BTW:
paedur5 wrote:I got offered a CD in my 'concert postponed' email. Did everyone get that offer?
Yes, I did.
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With supreme irony, my tickets for the concert arrived last night in the post. Then this morning - the news. Talk about contrasting emotions!

It is just all very disappointing. Like others,it is now probably too late to get to Australia ( we're in Singapore ), and the USA may not be possible either.

I guess it could be worse - nobody's died - it just feels like it.

Andy
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For those of us who are still heading to Phnom Penh, perhaps we should get together for a drink and a Cohen-less evening!
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Geoff wrote:I think we have to be philosophical about this. Of course it's disappointing but this was a concert that always seemed too good to be true somehow anyway.

Concert-goers in this part of the world have probably got used to this sort of thing by now because it's an new market as far as concert promotion goes and nobody is quite sure what will work and what won't. I have lost count of the number of concerts that have been canceled in Bangkok over the years, from the Rolling Stones (on the day of the gig) to Brad Melhdau and Lang Lang, all for vague reasons. And none of them have ever come back, despite promises to the contrary. For this reason, I always delay spending money on hotels and travel until as late as possible!

As someone else mentioned we must remember it's not the artist that bears the financial cost of a loss-making show, it's the promoter and they are a business. However, I believe we must thank both Leonard and the promoter for trying to make this happen, because without both artists and promoters taking these sorts of risks the music scene in SE Asia will never develop.

With a bit of luck our paths will cross with Leonard's at some point in the future but until then we will have to be content with the great concerts we have seen so far.
I admire your laidback attitude given that you seem to have been planning on attending this show yourself.

I really don't think though that you can justify it by saying "this kind of thing always happens because it's a new market and no one is quite sure what will work and what won't". Along with Hawaii, I really can't think of any excuse for cancelling a show for "logistical reasons."

If it is actually becuase of "logistical reasons" then the logistics should have been finalised before they started promoting this show and selling tickets. Surely that's just common sense?

If "logistical reasons" actually means poor sales, LC's World Tour has been making a huge profit over the last couple of years, which would probably be barely dented by playing these two shows at a loss even if they weren't to sell out crowds.

It's totally inexcusable how they have completely failed loyal fans, many of whom will have shelled out large sums of money in non-refundable travel and accomodation arrangements, in failing to honour their commitment to them by playing these shows.

This has certainly left a sour note in my mouth after what has been a wonderful two years.
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Mabeanie1 wrote:
LHHUNTER wrote:If LC does tour again I hope it's not with AEG. :?
I doubt that will ever happen. There wouldn't have been any tour at all without AEG.

Wendy
correct. AEG deserve praise for making this tour happen at all. local difficulties in the wonderful if disorganised country of Cambodia should not soilt AEG's reputation for getting everything else right
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danslenoir wrote:I really don't think though that you can justify it by saying "this kind of thing always happens because it's a new market and no one is quite sure what will work and what won't". Along with Hawaii, I really can't think of any excuse for cancelling a show for "logistical reasons."

If it is actually becuase of "logistical reasons" then the logistics should have been finalised before they started promoting this show and selling tickets. Surely that's just common sense?

If "logistical reasons" actually means poor sales, LC's World Tour has been making a huge profit over the last couple of years, which would probably be barely dented by playing these two shows at a loss even if they weren't to sell out crowds.
Agreed, if logistical reasons really means that then it should have been sorted out before. I suspect it means something slightly different given what Chris Minko alluded to in the Phnom Penh Post yesterday:

http://www.phnompenhpost.com/index.php/ ... poned.html

'He said the concert was postponed because of a lack of available equipment, in addition to the unwillingness of some companies to supply Cambodia and “Mafia-style monopolies on supplies in the region”'

Anyway, it seems from experience of cancellations in the past we never really know the reason, just that it seems to happen a lot in this region!
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Re: Announcement of the Nov 27 concert in Phnom Penh

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AEG have not done a good job. It is not just the cancellations but also the regular additions to the tour. People buy tickets for concerts in other countries, only to find a date to later be scheduled in their own country. Is it too difficult to list all the events of a tour and stick to it? No cancellations, no additions. What is so professional about changing details at a whim, and getting fans excited about an expected tour announcement tomorrow, next week etc etc. These announcements should be irregular and should only be caused by sickness, death etc.

Let's get back to a professional tour where the dates are known, no additions or cancellations and no more announcements!
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Geoff wrote:
danslenoir wrote:If "logistical reasons" actually means poor sales, LC's World Tour has been making a huge profit over the last couple of years, which would probably be barely dented by playing these two shows at a loss even if they weren't to sell out crowds.
Agreed, if logistical reasons really means that then it should have been sorted out before. I suspect it means something slightly different given what Chris Minko alluded to in the Phnom Penh Post yesterday:

http://www.phnompenhpost.com/index.php/ ... poned.html

'He said the concert was postponed because of a lack of available equipment, in addition to the unwillingness of some companies to supply Cambodia and “Mafia-style monopolies on supplies in the region”'!
How would you explain the Hawaii cancellation then Geoff?? Remember, this is not the first time this tour.

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Whenever someone says 'put it perspective' or 'let's be philosophical' it tends to upset those who maybe paid a lot of money to attend and can't change their plans etc. I can be philosophical, but I didn't lose any money/vacation planning a trip that never happened.
Certainly, a good friend of mine from Oakland, CA was philosophical when he heard the Hawaii concert was cancelled. 'Oh well, I will just have a nice vacation in Hawaii before Christmas' was his attitude. His philosophical outlook changed when he heard concerts were now planned for Oakland. He either cancelled his trip to Hawaii-he had booked a non-refundable condo or miss dates in his hometown.

In this situation I think anyone has the right to be upset and vent about it.
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