lizzytysh wrote:
>Geoffrey, I'm with you.
Thank you - and I'm with you - and everyone else who has a warm heart. Whoever used his retirement savings, for whatever reason, should tell him why they took it and upon what it was used. To empty someone's bank account and then refuse to offer any kind of paperwork to show where it went is questionable. The person(s) who took from him, whether justifiably or not, should have the courage to explain why. Is that unreasonable? There is a great possibility that Leonard will go down in history as a man who worshipped the female form, but an even greater possibility that the person(s) who took from him was/were dishonest. For generations to come it may be noted that someone close to him was a thief - and that may be a big stigma for family members. And that is both unnecessary and unfair. For everyone concerned, the person(s) who took from him must now, immediately, communicate and explain as openly as possible what exactly happened. Not only for Leonard's sake, but for their own.
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Dear Snow-life is not fare in general, why would it make an exception in this particular case? Snow-you softy-these things happen every day, to all kinds of people-good and bad, to the smart ones and to the fools. We all sometimes get burned if we sit on a hot spot way too long, there are always signs to warn us-but we choose not to see them.For generations to come it may be noted that someone close to him was a thief - and that may be a big stigma for family members. And that is both unnecessary and unfair.
bee
Lizzy-Oh really?When you were sobbing that you have burned your face- I sent to you a Chinese healing powder right away, so you would heal your face on time. I do not know if it helped or not -- does not matter. If people need my help and I can help, I'll do what I can, have been doing all my life. But I am not going to lament about foolish things some people have done, even if they are idols.Other than that, this is all I have to say in response to your posting ~ some people really do think only of themselves. That would be you; except when you're flagrantly reading into and gnarling some of the information you've gotten regarding him.
bee
In a recent interview Pierce Brosnan described his emotions on hearing his James Bond role was ditched (after 4 movies) via telephone as:
"It was a titanic jolt to the system followed by a great sense of calm."
I think Mr. Cohen's emotions may have followed a similar trajectory. I'd go so far as to say 007's words are positively Cohenesque in its precision. If Mr. Cohen saw this recent interview he probably smiled to himself wryly.
"It was a titanic jolt to the system followed by a great sense of calm."
I think Mr. Cohen's emotions may have followed a similar trajectory. I'd go so far as to say 007's words are positively Cohenesque in its precision. If Mr. Cohen saw this recent interview he probably smiled to himself wryly.
Bee ~
Yes, I figured you would recall that, even to the extent of mentioning it, as you have. In fact, I deliberated on how to phrase what I did, based on that kindness that you extended to me, and that I appreciated ~ and expressed that ~ so long ago. I even considered whether to qualify what I was saying, with the mention of that in brackets. In the end, however, I decided to just go ahead and be bold with what I had to say, as the context relates to what you're saying here, and tend to say, in general, here ~ and deal with the fallout, if it came, as I'm doing now. Do I forever sidestep making an honest comment regarding your manner here because of that? Rhetorical question, at this point.
In reality, the one test spot where I used the powder held onto a darkness of skin; but, even at the time, I thought, "That's fine. It's not that noticeable ~ if at all ~ and will be a special reminder of that lovely Chinese powder that Bi sent me." However, I wasn't inclined to tell you that it 'didn't work,' so let it go with my expressions of gratefulness that you had sent it.
Spending time and energy means much more than handing over a dollar bill. I guess catering for friends would mean a "deeper level of caring"? Give me that time and energy, any day, alongside that lentil soup. Far more intimate and truly caring.
More often than some might notice, the "generous lover," who's that in the "showering . . . with gifts" department, is lacking in the more real area of simple, quality time and sharing. In fact, it's unrelated to his generousity as a lover. Ever noticed how a dozen roses can follow an infidelity, only to be followed by another infidelity and another dozen roses? Such a generous guy. Oh, and did you notice all the bling she has? Oh, he's not there at night? Well, at least she looks good in the daytime, and can account it to his showering her with gifts. Buying of affection is only one way of looking at all that. The proverbial, country club wives have even expressed their lack of satisfaction with the relationships themselves, the lack of true intimacy, and how being given money to go shopping just doesn't get it after awhile.
Well, we're off on a whole, other tangent here, aren't we? However, for me, that stereotype was a one-way street to where we ended up. This, of course, is not to say that 'gifts' are a bad thing
. There just happens to be no direct, 1:1 relationship between them and a lover's true generousity.
Thank you, again, for that Chinese powder
. Seriously 
. I still have it ~ and may well try it, again 
. Oh, dear......thunder and lightning. Gotta go.
~ Elizabeth
Yes, I figured you would recall that, even to the extent of mentioning it, as you have. In fact, I deliberated on how to phrase what I did, based on that kindness that you extended to me, and that I appreciated ~ and expressed that ~ so long ago. I even considered whether to qualify what I was saying, with the mention of that in brackets. In the end, however, I decided to just go ahead and be bold with what I had to say, as the context relates to what you're saying here, and tend to say, in general, here ~ and deal with the fallout, if it came, as I'm doing now. Do I forever sidestep making an honest comment regarding your manner here because of that? Rhetorical question, at this point.
In reality, the one test spot where I used the powder held onto a darkness of skin; but, even at the time, I thought, "That's fine. It's not that noticeable ~ if at all ~ and will be a special reminder of that lovely Chinese powder that Bi sent me." However, I wasn't inclined to tell you that it 'didn't work,' so let it go with my expressions of gratefulness that you had sent it.
To some of the female segment of the population, generousity has far more to do with spirit than the material plane. In fact, I much prefer a lentil soup ~ with its hearty, mysteriously wonderful flavour and healthfulness ~ to a lobster bisque or vicchychoise, any day. The most special of occasions included. To have my male friend do the preparation? Well, you're on your way to winning my heart right there. Humility is also very endearing. From the accounts I've read, Leonard's male friends appreciate his making the food they will share, as well.Does not look like LC is very generous lover, just by looking at how he treats his dinner guests with a lentil soup, one can only imagine that he wasn't showering her with gifts.
Spending time and energy means much more than handing over a dollar bill. I guess catering for friends would mean a "deeper level of caring"? Give me that time and energy, any day, alongside that lentil soup. Far more intimate and truly caring.
More often than some might notice, the "generous lover," who's that in the "showering . . . with gifts" department, is lacking in the more real area of simple, quality time and sharing. In fact, it's unrelated to his generousity as a lover. Ever noticed how a dozen roses can follow an infidelity, only to be followed by another infidelity and another dozen roses? Such a generous guy. Oh, and did you notice all the bling she has? Oh, he's not there at night? Well, at least she looks good in the daytime, and can account it to his showering her with gifts. Buying of affection is only one way of looking at all that. The proverbial, country club wives have even expressed their lack of satisfaction with the relationships themselves, the lack of true intimacy, and how being given money to go shopping just doesn't get it after awhile.
Well, we're off on a whole, other tangent here, aren't we? However, for me, that stereotype was a one-way street to where we ended up. This, of course, is not to say that 'gifts' are a bad thing
. There just happens to be no direct, 1:1 relationship between them and a lover's true generousity. Thank you, again, for that Chinese powder
. Seriously . I still have it ~ and may well try it, again . Oh, dear......thunder and lightning. Gotta go.~ Elizabeth
I have often felt that when my man, cooks a meal, does the dishes, cleans when I am out, asks me if I would like a drink or if I am hungry, winks at me at a party, phones me to say he is running late, asks me what movie would appeal to me, gives me a hug or kiss for no reason, goes out of his way for my family and friends, takes care of me when I am ill, we can go for a long wlak or drive and not have to fill every second with conversation.....this is making love to me. AHHHH now go brush your teeth
Cheers & DLight
Tri-me (tree-mite) Sheldrön
"Doorhinge rhymes with orange" Leonard Cohen
Tri-me (tree-mite) Sheldrön
"Doorhinge rhymes with orange" Leonard Cohen
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"Oh, he's not there at night? Well, at least she looks good in the daytime, and can account it to his showering her with gifts."---Lizzytysh
Glad to see you coming around...about not Being There at night and all. Or is that kind of criticism only for la bourgeoisie?"I never stayed the night." --LC
I know. I know. You'll say Kelley never "rose to the status of lover".
YdF
This is all so terribly sad.
Of course I sympathise, empathise etc with Leonard Cohen right now. I've been enthralled by his music for too long not to have an interest in his mystique (remember I live in the back of beyond where the reaction you get on mention of LC is "OH HELL, THE SUICIDE BLOKE?") or to be completely disinterested in his fate.
But please note the emphasis is on his music. I know nothing about him other than what his music tells me - which is enough for me to know that he is a man who expresses an insight into what makes us tick - who understands women, life and love - in all their guises. No amount of bickering about who stole what from whom will ever change that.
What I find so sad is that now that he has problems that probably are not half as bad as most of us have had to face at some time or another, we feel free to dissect, in public, his life and character, however well intended this dissection may be in this forum.
Express your support by all means - but for fuck's sake leave the man some privacy and dignity. Isn't it bad enough that the media has a magnifying glass on him without his so-called fans and supporters joining in the fray?
This is merely my opinion so please feel free to carry on but I do hope you'll bear it in mind the next time you so confidently declare his personal motives and flaunt who he did or didn't bonk and with what degree of sincerity he did so - which in any case seems to me totally irrelevant to his present financial mis(s)fortunes. (pun fully intended
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Jo
Of course I sympathise, empathise etc with Leonard Cohen right now. I've been enthralled by his music for too long not to have an interest in his mystique (remember I live in the back of beyond where the reaction you get on mention of LC is "OH HELL, THE SUICIDE BLOKE?") or to be completely disinterested in his fate.
But please note the emphasis is on his music. I know nothing about him other than what his music tells me - which is enough for me to know that he is a man who expresses an insight into what makes us tick - who understands women, life and love - in all their guises. No amount of bickering about who stole what from whom will ever change that.
What I find so sad is that now that he has problems that probably are not half as bad as most of us have had to face at some time or another, we feel free to dissect, in public, his life and character, however well intended this dissection may be in this forum.
Express your support by all means - but for fuck's sake leave the man some privacy and dignity. Isn't it bad enough that the media has a magnifying glass on him without his so-called fans and supporters joining in the fray?
This is merely my opinion so please feel free to carry on but I do hope you'll bear it in mind the next time you so confidently declare his personal motives and flaunt who he did or didn't bonk and with what degree of sincerity he did so - which in any case seems to me totally irrelevant to his present financial mis(s)fortunes. (pun fully intended
)Jo
"... to make a pale imitation of reality with twenty-six juggled letters"
"... all words are lies because they can only represent one of many levels of being"
Sober noises of morning in a marginal land.
"... all words are lies because they can only represent one of many levels of being"
Sober noises of morning in a marginal land.
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I agree Jo. Leonard may, or may not, have got into this trouble partly as a result of his own foibles. But, either way, if you care about someone, do you not feel compassionate anyway? Throwing the first stone and all that. It is unfortunate to read so much gossipy speculation on here, his "fans'" site.
Diane
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For fuck's sake?Express your support by all means - but for fuck's sake leave the man some privacy and dignity. Isn't it bad enough that the media has a magnifying glass on him without his so-called fans and supporters joining in the fray?
Indeed-if it is for fuck's sake, why not have a look how the fuck was done?
Besides-the fans are very important people-we are the loyal customers who would come back to the shop and buy some more. Fans are the customers who would spread the word and make the advertisement department working for free. Common knowledge-nothing works better then word of mouth. By all means fans have a say about the product and the company, if for "fuck's sake" they fuck something up. No privacy can be speared if somebody goes out in public selling his private product, which in essence art is.
If LC fucks marianne, susanne, virginia and hanna and writes about it and sells it, it becomes a public property, no more privacy there, and if he fucks kelley and she fucks him right back, and he complains about it-it goes down same way.
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You are not a fan of Cohen's then, bee? So why are you here?
Well said Jo.
Well said Jo.
Only just found this video of LC:
http://ca.youtube.com/user/leonardcohen?ob=4" target="_blank
This one does make me cry.
http://ca.youtube.com/user/leonardcohen?ob=4" target="_blank
This one does make me cry.
