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Dear Lizzy and Fred and Linda,
I'm following your most interesting and moving discussion on Holocaust Museums and I'm trying to find out what it does to me. At first I couldn't discover the feeling I got, something between emotion and not daring to speak, but now I've found it: GUILT. There we are, back to where this discussion began. And I, as a German, feel something like a dead hang. Is it in my genes or is it something I've been taught or why do I, Kerstin, feel like this. I do feel ashame and guilty for what happened in my country more than 20 years before I was born.
I have a great respect for the Jewish people and their history. I think I know quite a bit of it and maybe, because I'm a religious person too.
About 20 years ago, I've been to the KZ Neuengamme with our school class and our history teacher, who was Jewish. I recall another school class being there, running around, screaming and playing on the area, while I found myself visualizing a gang of ahungered Jewish captives in their striped clothes shuffeling along the way. I felt like screaming on the other school kids. I didn't. Again guilt. Leastwise I told my classmates to shut up and stop making fun in the exhibition rooms. No one else than me seemed to be interested in the pictures and other relicts of that horrible time.
Over the years I've asked mysself if I would have had the courage to rebel against the Dritte Reich. Or even give Jewish people a shelter. I'm not sure. Again guilt. All the more I lift my head in front of those who built a resistance. Talking about courage from our huge temporal distance is pretty easy for many.
I so much fear that people may have not learned at least anything from the Holocaust.
Just look at the book "The Wave" that has been published 1981. Other country, other people, same mechanism.
Lizzy, thanks for your kind words on my recent post.
Linda, thanks for the link to the pictures, they make me cry.
Have to get deflection.
Kerstin
I'm following your most interesting and moving discussion on Holocaust Museums and I'm trying to find out what it does to me. At first I couldn't discover the feeling I got, something between emotion and not daring to speak, but now I've found it: GUILT. There we are, back to where this discussion began. And I, as a German, feel something like a dead hang. Is it in my genes or is it something I've been taught or why do I, Kerstin, feel like this. I do feel ashame and guilty for what happened in my country more than 20 years before I was born.
I have a great respect for the Jewish people and their history. I think I know quite a bit of it and maybe, because I'm a religious person too.
About 20 years ago, I've been to the KZ Neuengamme with our school class and our history teacher, who was Jewish. I recall another school class being there, running around, screaming and playing on the area, while I found myself visualizing a gang of ahungered Jewish captives in their striped clothes shuffeling along the way. I felt like screaming on the other school kids. I didn't. Again guilt. Leastwise I told my classmates to shut up and stop making fun in the exhibition rooms. No one else than me seemed to be interested in the pictures and other relicts of that horrible time.
Over the years I've asked mysself if I would have had the courage to rebel against the Dritte Reich. Or even give Jewish people a shelter. I'm not sure. Again guilt. All the more I lift my head in front of those who built a resistance. Talking about courage from our huge temporal distance is pretty easy for many.
I so much fear that people may have not learned at least anything from the Holocaust.
Just look at the book "The Wave" that has been published 1981. Other country, other people, same mechanism.
Lizzy, thanks for your kind words on my recent post.
Linda, thanks for the link to the pictures, they make me cry.
Have to get deflection.
Kerstin
Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
Matthew 7,3
Matthew 7,3
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Dear Kerstin,
Such a powerfully thin line between personal responsibility-taking and guilt by association! I think the saving grace is this: that within all of us lives the entire potential of the human possibility, ranging from the horrific to the beatific. So in a sense, we're all saints, and likewise, all Nazis; we built the Wailing Wall, along with the Berlin Wall. And so forth. The key (and I think this element is central to Leonard's work) is taking the journey within, to integrate our natures with the refining fire of our own fearless willingness to become an ongoing instrument of peace, both within and without. I appreciate the great heart it takes to bear that suffering for an entire generation, but really, our responsibility becomes collective and universal. As has been suggested earlier in this thread, the Nazis created the crematoria, and we Americans dropped two atomic bombs on Japan, killing thousands and damning an entire generation. And the transcendent, redemptive power of our inner work and relentless connecting with like-minded spirits helps achieve a greater possibility, to which Judaism referrs as Tikkun Olam, or the process of mending and healing the world.
Martin Buber, the great Jewish philosopher and mystic, would refer to the energy of this healing process as existing in the between, in the dynamic process that occurs when human beings connect.
Kerstin, thank you for your courageous and heartfelt sharing.
Fred
Such a powerfully thin line between personal responsibility-taking and guilt by association! I think the saving grace is this: that within all of us lives the entire potential of the human possibility, ranging from the horrific to the beatific. So in a sense, we're all saints, and likewise, all Nazis; we built the Wailing Wall, along with the Berlin Wall. And so forth. The key (and I think this element is central to Leonard's work) is taking the journey within, to integrate our natures with the refining fire of our own fearless willingness to become an ongoing instrument of peace, both within and without. I appreciate the great heart it takes to bear that suffering for an entire generation, but really, our responsibility becomes collective and universal. As has been suggested earlier in this thread, the Nazis created the crematoria, and we Americans dropped two atomic bombs on Japan, killing thousands and damning an entire generation. And the transcendent, redemptive power of our inner work and relentless connecting with like-minded spirits helps achieve a greater possibility, to which Judaism referrs as Tikkun Olam, or the process of mending and healing the world.
Martin Buber, the great Jewish philosopher and mystic, would refer to the energy of this healing process as existing in the between, in the dynamic process that occurs when human beings connect.
Kerstin, thank you for your courageous and heartfelt sharing.
Fred
"When two people relate to each other authentically and humanly, God is the electricity that surges between them.”
- Martin Buber
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Dear Fred,
Sometimes I'm not sure if it works, but I still go on trying and LC surely helps a lot.
Thank you, Fred.
I wish that there will be much more people each day, who look at it that way. It is just the central idea of love that unifies all religions and could unify the people. I watched a lecture of Prof. Paul Watzlawick on TV this morning, who said, if one of us helped an other, the one who has been helped won't be able not to help his next.glida wrote: ... And the transcendent, redemptive power of our inner work and relentless connecting with like-minded spirits helps achieve a greater possibility, to which Judaism referrs as Tikkun Olam, or the process of mending and healing the world.
Martin Buber, the great Jewish philosopher and mystic, would refer to the energy of this healing process as existing in the between, in the dynamic process that occurs when human beings connect.
Sometimes I'm not sure if it works, but I still go on trying and LC surely helps a lot.
Thank you, Fred.
Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
Matthew 7,3
Matthew 7,3
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On another forum, I was expressing a similar kind of guilt about racism in the US. I too didn't understand why I feel guilty (and blush) when I'm not guilty, and someone responded with this:
MichaelFirewalker wrote:you are full of light, Mandy, and that is why you blush, because we are all connected to each other, and the deepest part of you knows that, and feels it----you feel guilty for all the pain we all give ourselves and each other----you know logically that you are not guilty, but, if one man's death diminishes me, so does one man's pain, and I want to heal it----that's what I sense you want to do too----your blushes are physiological expressions of your compassion towards the injustice in which we are all drowning, and would drown, except for the light, which allows us to see, and to love, and to heal, and be healed, as one...
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I agree on the sense of guilt regarding racism, Manna. I had been literally born prior to its officially ending... yet, it remains, and it brings those same non-descript feelings of guilt. What it was before was unconscienable.
So, you Kerstin, aren't alone in your feelings. With all of the atrocities that have happened worldwide, I don't feel that the potential for the feelings of guilt that ought to have been felt by the perpetrators goes to the grave with them.
I feel there's a human-based recognition of what's right and wrong. There are those who feel it for what has happened in the past and those that say, "Hey, it wasn't me; I wasn't even born yet. I don't feel guilty, at all."
I'd say we all pretty much fall into one of those two groupings; and because of that, there are those who lament what's happenend in the past, with some hazy feeling of human responsibility ['guilt']; and continue to lament what goes on now; and they/we try to make life better in whatever way they can.
~ Lizzy
So, you Kerstin, aren't alone in your feelings. With all of the atrocities that have happened worldwide, I don't feel that the potential for the feelings of guilt that ought to have been felt by the perpetrators goes to the grave with them.
I feel there's a human-based recognition of what's right and wrong. There are those who feel it for what has happened in the past and those that say, "Hey, it wasn't me; I wasn't even born yet. I don't feel guilty, at all."
I'd say we all pretty much fall into one of those two groupings; and because of that, there are those who lament what's happenend in the past, with some hazy feeling of human responsibility ['guilt']; and continue to lament what goes on now; and they/we try to make life better in whatever way they can.
~ Lizzy
"Be yourself. Everyone else is already taken."
~ Oscar Wilde
~ Oscar Wilde
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Well, I'm surprized no one challenged me here. I came up with several challenges to myself, but I was already enroute in my car to where I was running late when I clicked Submit. Though I mean it in its essence, it wasn't a well thought out response. I knew it was too much of a dichotomy to say there are basically two groups. There have to be more, but I couldn't think of how to describe any others or really what they might be. I also seem to suggest that those who aren't feeling guilty are feeling cavalier, like the second group I described.
I believe that there is at least one other group and that would be the ones who aren't cavalier, do take what's happened seriously; yet, don't have a sense of guilt about it and do have a basic sense of right and wrong, the same as at least some in the 'cavalier' group do. I also don't feel that only group one of the two groups are the only ones concerned with making the world better. So, I guess I'm kind of back to square one. Why do some feel a sense of guilt? Why do others feel detached? I don't know. However, Kirsten, I don't feel that because the Nazis were German
means that their being German is what made them be Nazis. I feel they were seduced into that intoxicating feeling of superiority that we're all, as humans, subject to... and that that's the reason we need to be acutely aware of when we're being enticed in that direction. I feel that this is a very important distinction for you to remember as you suffer from what seems to be [as I've read elsewhere] 'the German guilt.' Your suffering is unfair to you.
Why some feel that mild to crushing guilt about what's happened and why some don't may be akin to what Manna said about why some love Leonard and others just shrug. Some people just don't think about these things at all. They're caught up in their daily lives and interest, history is history... ho hum, or maybe not... but still not anywhere near primary in their thoughts. They do what they do, vote or don't vote, work or don't work, but definitely don't concern themselves with anything as absurdly sounding as guilt for what happened before they were born. Okay, now I feel a little better. The only thing I know for sure is that what happened with Hitler wasn't your fault and what happened with the slaves and all that followed wasn't Manna's or mine. Where we come into that picture, however, I feel, is with our own sense of responsibility in preventing the same kinds of things from happening again and doing what we can to make life better.
~ Lizzy
I believe that there is at least one other group and that would be the ones who aren't cavalier, do take what's happened seriously; yet, don't have a sense of guilt about it and do have a basic sense of right and wrong, the same as at least some in the 'cavalier' group do. I also don't feel that only group one of the two groups are the only ones concerned with making the world better. So, I guess I'm kind of back to square one. Why do some feel a sense of guilt? Why do others feel detached? I don't know. However, Kirsten, I don't feel that because the Nazis were German
means that their being German is what made them be Nazis. I feel they were seduced into that intoxicating feeling of superiority that we're all, as humans, subject to... and that that's the reason we need to be acutely aware of when we're being enticed in that direction. I feel that this is a very important distinction for you to remember as you suffer from what seems to be [as I've read elsewhere] 'the German guilt.' Your suffering is unfair to you.
Why some feel that mild to crushing guilt about what's happened and why some don't may be akin to what Manna said about why some love Leonard and others just shrug. Some people just don't think about these things at all. They're caught up in their daily lives and interest, history is history... ho hum, or maybe not... but still not anywhere near primary in their thoughts. They do what they do, vote or don't vote, work or don't work, but definitely don't concern themselves with anything as absurdly sounding as guilt for what happened before they were born. Okay, now I feel a little better. The only thing I know for sure is that what happened with Hitler wasn't your fault and what happened with the slaves and all that followed wasn't Manna's or mine. Where we come into that picture, however, I feel, is with our own sense of responsibility in preventing the same kinds of things from happening again and doing what we can to make life better.
~ Lizzy
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Hi there,
I think not. That feeling of 'guilt' goes far beyond the Nazi phenomenon. There are those who feel guilty because they survived a car crash, and their friend didn't. Those who feel guilty because they didn't get cancer and their daughter did. The 'survivor's guilt'. Why, and what stepped between us, and the inevitable death or hardship of others? It makes some people feel 'responsible' in a way, I think. As if they were in 'league with the Devil' that brought down the evil in the first place.
Human emotions run deep, and we don't always understand why we react to situations in the way that we do. Logically, we know we are not guilty, but something in the base of our skulls, keeps trying to tell us we were somehow spared because of some lurking evil within us. I think this is fairly common, especially in wartime situations where there were 'choices' made. Not luck of the draw, some 'chose' to look away. Or felt that they didn't do enough to aid another human.
We are complex creatures, and we can never fully understand why we react in the way that we do. It's important to simply 'know' that we were in no way part of what went down. How could we be? We weren't even born, or we were too young to have done anything about it. I think it's somehow ingrained in us from our childhood experiences whereby a certain kid was picked on, and we didn't step in. From there, we can carry the weight of the world on our shoulders, if we choose to. We all live with our demons, we should just be sure we're living with the 'right' demons. The ones that apply directly to our actions, not the actions of people we never knew, and decisions we had no hand in.
I think not. That feeling of 'guilt' goes far beyond the Nazi phenomenon. There are those who feel guilty because they survived a car crash, and their friend didn't. Those who feel guilty because they didn't get cancer and their daughter did. The 'survivor's guilt'. Why, and what stepped between us, and the inevitable death or hardship of others? It makes some people feel 'responsible' in a way, I think. As if they were in 'league with the Devil' that brought down the evil in the first place.
Human emotions run deep, and we don't always understand why we react to situations in the way that we do. Logically, we know we are not guilty, but something in the base of our skulls, keeps trying to tell us we were somehow spared because of some lurking evil within us. I think this is fairly common, especially in wartime situations where there were 'choices' made. Not luck of the draw, some 'chose' to look away. Or felt that they didn't do enough to aid another human.
We are complex creatures, and we can never fully understand why we react in the way that we do. It's important to simply 'know' that we were in no way part of what went down. How could we be? We weren't even born, or we were too young to have done anything about it. I think it's somehow ingrained in us from our childhood experiences whereby a certain kid was picked on, and we didn't step in. From there, we can carry the weight of the world on our shoulders, if we choose to. We all live with our demons, we should just be sure we're living with the 'right' demons. The ones that apply directly to our actions, not the actions of people we never knew, and decisions we had no hand in.
~ The smell of perfume in the air, bits of beauty everywhere ~ Leonard Cohen.
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Another take........the ancient Jewish myth of the Lam-ed Vov, which involves the belief that the world contains thirty-six good people, without whom the world would collapse under the weight of its own sin (see http://www.uushenandoah.org/sermons/041205.htm).
The thirty-six hidden ones have the potential to save the world. They appear when they are needed, at times of great peril, called out of their anonymity and humility by the necessity to save the world: because they can, and because we need them.
The well-known writer Rachel Naomi Remen tells of hearing of the Lamed-Vov from her grandfather. “The story he told me is very old and dates from the time of the prophet Isaiah. It is the legend of the Lamed-Vov.
In this story, God tells us that He (sic) will allow the world to continue as long as at any given time there is a minimum of thirty-six good people in the human race. People who are capable of responding to the suffering that is part of the human condition….If at any time, there are fewer than thirty-six such people alive, the world will come to an end.
“Do you know who these people are, Grandpa?” I asked, certain he would say “Yes.” But he shook his head. “No,” he told me “only God knows who the Lamed-Vovniks are. Even the Lamed-Vovniks themselves do not know for sure the role they have in the continuation of the world, and no one else knows it either. They respond to suffering, not in order to save the world but simply because the suffering of others touches them and matters to them.”
Remen concludes her remembrance this way. “It turned out that Lamed-Vovniks could be tailors or college professors, millionaires or paupers, powerful leaders or powerless victims. These things were not important. What mattered was only their capacity to feel the collective suffering of the human race and to respond to the suffering around them. “And because no one knows who they are, anyone you meet might be one of the thirty-six for whom God preserves the world. It is important to treat everyone as if this might be so.”
The Lamed Novniks. According to the legend, we cannot know who they are—or if, for that matter, any one of us—you or I—might be one of them. But we can see them. We can see them everywhere in the anonymous acts of good people who rise to great acts in difficult circumstances. It could be the person we least suspect.
Fred
The thirty-six hidden ones have the potential to save the world. They appear when they are needed, at times of great peril, called out of their anonymity and humility by the necessity to save the world: because they can, and because we need them.
The well-known writer Rachel Naomi Remen tells of hearing of the Lamed-Vov from her grandfather. “The story he told me is very old and dates from the time of the prophet Isaiah. It is the legend of the Lamed-Vov.
In this story, God tells us that He (sic) will allow the world to continue as long as at any given time there is a minimum of thirty-six good people in the human race. People who are capable of responding to the suffering that is part of the human condition….If at any time, there are fewer than thirty-six such people alive, the world will come to an end.
“Do you know who these people are, Grandpa?” I asked, certain he would say “Yes.” But he shook his head. “No,” he told me “only God knows who the Lamed-Vovniks are. Even the Lamed-Vovniks themselves do not know for sure the role they have in the continuation of the world, and no one else knows it either. They respond to suffering, not in order to save the world but simply because the suffering of others touches them and matters to them.”
Remen concludes her remembrance this way. “It turned out that Lamed-Vovniks could be tailors or college professors, millionaires or paupers, powerful leaders or powerless victims. These things were not important. What mattered was only their capacity to feel the collective suffering of the human race and to respond to the suffering around them. “And because no one knows who they are, anyone you meet might be one of the thirty-six for whom God preserves the world. It is important to treat everyone as if this might be so.”
The Lamed Novniks. According to the legend, we cannot know who they are—or if, for that matter, any one of us—you or I—might be one of them. But we can see them. We can see them everywhere in the anonymous acts of good people who rise to great acts in difficult circumstances. It could be the person we least suspect.
Fred
"When two people relate to each other authentically and humanly, God is the electricity that surges between them.”
- Martin Buber
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I'm not sure what it is that you think not to, Linda, but I'm glad that it prompted you to your response. You're right about how plagued we are by guilt as a whole when bad things happen to good people... or maybe just in general. It's almost as if we're hard-wired for it.
That's a very intrigueing myth, Fred, the Lamed-Vov... wow, what a picture that paints and a lasting motivation for those who were taught it to treat everyone equally and well. It's a variation on we don't know who the angels are or through whom Christ may come to visit us on Earth, but with much higher stakes.
Thanks to both of you for taking what I said much further.
[I think the construction of one of my sentences up there is totally off, so I need to go fix it so it says what I mean... as soon as I figure out exactly how it said what I didn't mean
.]
What Blonde Madonna shared in the thread below this one is very topical, perfectly fitting, and belongs in this one, as well:
~ Lizzy
That's a very intrigueing myth, Fred, the Lamed-Vov... wow, what a picture that paints and a lasting motivation for those who were taught it to treat everyone equally and well. It's a variation on we don't know who the angels are or through whom Christ may come to visit us on Earth, but with much higher stakes.
Thanks to both of you for taking what I said much further.
[I think the construction of one of my sentences up there is totally off, so I need to go fix it so it says what I mean... as soon as I figure out exactly how it said what I didn't mean

What Blonde Madonna shared in the thread below this one is very topical, perfectly fitting, and belongs in this one, as well:
So beautiful.Has anyone mentioned Cesar Vallejo yet?
"And in this frigid hour, when the earth
smells of human dust and is so sad,
I want to knock on every door
and beg forgiveness of I don't know whom,
and bake bits of fresh bread for him
here, in the oven of my heart...!"
~ Lizzy
"Be yourself. Everyone else is already taken."
~ Oscar Wilde
~ Oscar Wilde
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Dear Manna, Lizzy, Linda, Fred and others,
thank you so much for this deep discussion! Although I'm just here since a few days, I find myself overwhelmed by the depth and the high level of exchange. I longed so much for something like that. Obviously that is was "Cohnenites" are like!
[Don't mix up with this: http://www.mindat.org/min-1107.html]
Unfortunately I have a great deal of problems to handle at work currently, that made/make me get pretty exhausted.
So, please don't mind if I back out a bit, just reading your wonderful comments. Please do go on!
Lizzy, thanks for you kind, comforting words
Kerstin
thank you so much for this deep discussion! Although I'm just here since a few days, I find myself overwhelmed by the depth and the high level of exchange. I longed so much for something like that. Obviously that is was "Cohnenites" are like!

[Don't mix up with this: http://www.mindat.org/min-1107.html]

Unfortunately I have a great deal of problems to handle at work currently, that made/make me get pretty exhausted.
So, please don't mind if I back out a bit, just reading your wonderful comments. Please do go on!
Lizzy, thanks for you kind, comforting words

Kerstin
Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
Matthew 7,3
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ha ha ! Kerstin, that may not be far off the mark!!
I hope work eases up, and you can rejoin this or join all the other discussions on the board. Your contribution was heartfelt, intelligent and I was wondering where you'd got to...
Lizzy,
On the 'I don't think' or 'I think not' line - there was one passage or line in your previous posting that I meant to quote with the 'I think not' as partial response. But, I forgot to add the quote.
So as not to confuse the issue further, I'll leave it as is, as this thread is flowing in its own direction, and needs no more tinkering from my end.
What a great way to welcome the 'newbies'. A simple "welcome to the forum" is nice, but to actually engage in conversation, and learn a bit about one another makes the transition a bit easier. Although, I do understand (do I ever!) how difficult it is to jump into conversations with people just met in this forum.


Lizzy,
On the 'I don't think' or 'I think not' line - there was one passage or line in your previous posting that I meant to quote with the 'I think not' as partial response. But, I forgot to add the quote.

What a great way to welcome the 'newbies'. A simple "welcome to the forum" is nice, but to actually engage in conversation, and learn a bit about one another makes the transition a bit easier. Although, I do understand (do I ever!) how difficult it is to jump into conversations with people just met in this forum.
~ The smell of perfume in the air, bits of beauty everywhere ~ Leonard Cohen.
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Hello one and all in the Len-Net. Since this was started by a new member I figured this was as a place as any to introduce myself. I am new, but as most have said, long-time fan.
My name is David, I live in anxious, creaky heat of Los Angeles. When I am not sweating, I teach English composition to twitchy college freshmen.
I've been a Cohen fan since I saw the man interviewed on an obscure cable show (hosted by Richard Belzer) back in 1988. I was floored by the video for "First We Take Manhattan," the mystery and dark enigma suited my teenish angst. The rest is about consuming records, books, interviews, and wishes for a tour. The closest I got was seeing the man on Austin City Limits (I have the 88 show. If anyone wants to trade, I REALLY want the 93 show!)
Cohen represents a possibility of life lived, perhaps not always happily, but fully, with romance, with tragedy, and with dignity. (I could have said the same for Dylan until he made those underwear commercials!)
In any case, thanks for lending your eyes to these poor words.
dvd
My name is David, I live in anxious, creaky heat of Los Angeles. When I am not sweating, I teach English composition to twitchy college freshmen.
I've been a Cohen fan since I saw the man interviewed on an obscure cable show (hosted by Richard Belzer) back in 1988. I was floored by the video for "First We Take Manhattan," the mystery and dark enigma suited my teenish angst. The rest is about consuming records, books, interviews, and wishes for a tour. The closest I got was seeing the man on Austin City Limits (I have the 88 show. If anyone wants to trade, I REALLY want the 93 show!)
Cohen represents a possibility of life lived, perhaps not always happily, but fully, with romance, with tragedy, and with dignity. (I could have said the same for Dylan until he made those underwear commercials!)
In any case, thanks for lending your eyes to these poor words.
dvd
"We know you're great...but we don't know if you're any good."
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Hi David,
since I was the one to open this NEWBIE entry, I like to be the first to give you a heartily WELCOME.
I love what you have written about how you got hooked on Leonard Cohen !
Sometimes it appears to me as if our stories would at least be all a bit similar...
Kerstin
since I was the one to open this NEWBIE entry, I like to be the first to give you a heartily WELCOME.
I love what you have written about how you got hooked on Leonard Cohen !

Sometimes it appears to me as if our stories would at least be all a bit similar...
Kerstin
Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
Matthew 7,3
Matthew 7,3
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This is a lovely comment and true, David. Welcome from me, tooCohen represents a possibility of life lived, perhaps not always happily, but fully, with romance, with tragedy, and with dignity.

Kerstin ~
. . . since I was the one to open this NEWBIE entry, I like to be the first to give you a heartily WELCOME.
... and please feel free to do it any ol' time, any ol' where



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I’ve also been told by different persons that LC’s music is sad. But they just cannot feel it with their souls … Somehow, LC’s music governs my life. I cannot live without it. It lives in my heart, I listen to it every day. And I am so very happy I found about this forum! It’s so good to know that there are people I can talk with about LC! …
Waiting for the miracle to come...