Cohen in Eminem style
I think you're safe, Linda. Just because some members consider what the sound would be, doesn't mean Leonard would sign up! Remembering that Leonard thinks in terms of good taste, style, and longevity, I'd say Eminem's outta luck. A rap rhythm for Leonard would be scaled accordingly. Personally, I wish I hadn't even [frivolously] "suggested" him as a bridge....Leonard's quoted comment [presumably about Eminem] I say falls within the confines of Leonard being gracious, diplomatic, kind, and perhaps diverting of the original question put to him. I say Eminem falls within the confines of the extent some people are willing to go to cheap-shot try to get their 1 minute of fame [the # intentionally reduced to fit]. I love it that Kush lives in New York and hasn't even heard him.
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neveranygood
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Lizzytysh..I have indeed heard of Eminem, just have never 'heard' him.
But when a bunch of people disses somebody I am determined to like that person or his product. My favorite artistes have always been ones who manage to polarize audiences, including LC. Indeed, I have several intelligent, well-adjusted and well-established acquaintances who think LCs music is some kind of a bad joke.
SO, I shall certainly listen to Eminem with a very favorable bias.
Thank you all who had nothing good to say about him or his music.
But when a bunch of people disses somebody I am determined to like that person or his product. My favorite artistes have always been ones who manage to polarize audiences, including LC. Indeed, I have several intelligent, well-adjusted and well-established acquaintances who think LCs music is some kind of a bad joke.
SO, I shall certainly listen to Eminem with a very favorable bias.
Thank you all who had nothing good to say about him or his music.
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neveranygood
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Lizzytysh, I guess I'd have to be neutral on Bobby. Never knew that much about him really. I think he did a good enough job as Attorney General, as I recall, (going after corruption in the Labor Unions, etc)
Kush, you're quite welcome for anything I might have said to encourage you to listen to Eminem. I've never heard him either, I was just generalizing all rappers. They strike me as being morons with too much self esteem.
Bob
Kush, you're quite welcome for anything I might have said to encourage you to listen to Eminem. I've never heard him either, I was just generalizing all rappers. They strike me as being morons with too much self esteem.
Bob
Yes, Kush, I made it a point to say that you've never heard him vs. never heard of him, in that you hadn't specified. Being into music as you are, I'm not surprized that you've heard of him, yet am surprized that you've never heard him ~ somewhere along the line. I know what you're saying regarding your approach to those who are dissed. Mine is slightly different, in that I go into it with an open mind rather than a bias, one way or the other, though attentive to what might be construed as positive. Do let me know the results of your research.
~Lizzytysh
~Lizzytysh
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neveranygood
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Hi Lizzytysh, Guess I was a little blunt, but I think it does generalize them. I can't say it describes all of them because, thank God, I haven't heard them all. Also I think instead of a cultural mode of music, it's more of a lack of culture, and I'd substitute the word expression for music.
But I could be wrong. Like I said I haven't heard them all. It could be that like lawyers, 99% of them give the other 1% a bad name.
But I could be wrong. Like I said I haven't heard them all. It could be that like lawyers, 99% of them give the other 1% a bad name.
Hi Bob,
When I say culture, I mean it in its most literal, anthropological sense, as in various world cultures ~ not in the art- and music-world culture sense. It's music that derived from the "street" and expresses well the travails of their daily lives, as well as their pleasures. It's very informative. In addition, some of it role models positive thinking and goals. You have to listen to the lyrics to determine that, however. If you allow the rhythm and vocals to deter you with presumptions, you'll never get that far in order to realize it.
Kush,
Unless I've not heard "enough" of Eminem, profanity prevails and lacks necessity. Yes, the "showman" aspect is true. However, that tends to be true of the majority of rappers. He appears to me to want to be the most blatant in the white-boy sect of doing what's primarily considered to be black music. The more "f"s the better; the more asocial/anti-social/pathological behaviors represented the better. "The ultimate rebel" so to speak. It seems to "work" for him and his younger listening audience.
He was the favorite group of my ex-neighbor, who also took pleasure in killing cats, by baiting them with anti-freeze mixed into tuna fish. He played his music loudly. Though I like rap, I had to draw the line with Eminem, due to its content. That's where it pretty much lies with rap music, as musically, they're all very close. I don't see/hear where his is different enough in that regard to draw the distinction. I have neither seen nor heard much [anything?] of merit in his music. I did listen, presuming at first that it was simply "rap" and I listened for the message.
~Lizzytysh
When I say culture, I mean it in its most literal, anthropological sense, as in various world cultures ~ not in the art- and music-world culture sense. It's music that derived from the "street" and expresses well the travails of their daily lives, as well as their pleasures. It's very informative. In addition, some of it role models positive thinking and goals. You have to listen to the lyrics to determine that, however. If you allow the rhythm and vocals to deter you with presumptions, you'll never get that far in order to realize it.
Kush,
Unless I've not heard "enough" of Eminem, profanity prevails and lacks necessity. Yes, the "showman" aspect is true. However, that tends to be true of the majority of rappers. He appears to me to want to be the most blatant in the white-boy sect of doing what's primarily considered to be black music. The more "f"s the better; the more asocial/anti-social/pathological behaviors represented the better. "The ultimate rebel" so to speak. It seems to "work" for him and his younger listening audience.
He was the favorite group of my ex-neighbor, who also took pleasure in killing cats, by baiting them with anti-freeze mixed into tuna fish. He played his music loudly. Though I like rap, I had to draw the line with Eminem, due to its content. That's where it pretty much lies with rap music, as musically, they're all very close. I don't see/hear where his is different enough in that regard to draw the distinction. I have neither seen nor heard much [anything?] of merit in his music. I did listen, presuming at first that it was simply "rap" and I listened for the message.
~Lizzytysh
I really don't think the fact an ex-neighbour with a personality defect likes Eminem is sufficent to dismiss his work out of hand. By the by I don't think he is a group!!!!
If that were the critriea we should not listen to the Beatles as Charles Manson and the Family attribute the carnage in part to Helter Skelter
I have the Slim Shady CD it is really not a bad CD. Eminem is not Keats but then again he is not Dr Zeus. I like both Keats and Dr Zeus by the way
I am not sure if you have dismissed him out of hand. I have just re-read your comments and I must admit I really struggle with your threads to find the actual kernel it always seems to be lost in gaggle of words.
If that were the critriea we should not listen to the Beatles as Charles Manson and the Family attribute the carnage in part to Helter Skelter
I have the Slim Shady CD it is really not a bad CD. Eminem is not Keats but then again he is not Dr Zeus. I like both Keats and Dr Zeus by the way
I am not sure if you have dismissed him out of hand. I have just re-read your comments and I must admit I really struggle with your threads to find the actual kernel it always seems to be lost in gaggle of words.
Oh well.....Paula. Nice to hear from you again 
, despite no response to what I'd hoped/intended to be a helpful post, in response to your [perhaps insincere?] query as to how to view a post while answering, as well as offering a trade for music unknown to you. Perhaps you're just the type who thrives on conflict. You did say you looked forward to crossing swords with me again, and you have bypassed several opportunities to acknowledge or build upon agreement.
Ungaggling the message for you:
I listened to Eminem's lyrics on TV and elsewhere prior to knowledge of his being my neighbor's favorite and ~ guess what ~ disliked him all on my very own ~ based purely on, as I've already clearly stated ~ the content of his lyrics. When words are involved, a rhythm alone does not make a song for me.
My neighbor was strictly an aside. Sorry that was so befuddling for you.
Guess I missed all the f your mother's, murder your mother's, and other such elevating lyrics in the Beatles' music. Thanks for clueing me in. I'll be sure to stop listening, as I obviously should have long ago.
When you see them listed in my Favourite 10, however, just consider yourself befuddled for the moment and move on.
It's clear from other posts I've written that I do not dismiss out-of-hand, but approach initial listenings with an open mind. Nor do I dismiss a body of work based on, or due to the attribution of heinous acts to, one song. Nor do I advocate that anyone listen or not listen to him, though I may go so far as to say that I don't feel they're missing anything, other than verbal/psychic pollution.
I was under the impression that he had back-up onstage ~ and since some groups are expressed in the singular, and as I recall [though can't name it], some singles are expressed in the plural, I just went with "group."
Helter-Skelter wasn't my favorite either. However, do feel welcome to point out the atypical song of Eminem's [from the profanity and violence of the norm of his lyrics] ~ or [relative to your bringing up the Beatles] the atypical song of Eminem's [from the "non-profane and non-violent norm" of his lyrics]. Not that I can't appreciate the profane/violent lyric, well-placed with purpose. However, since overkill is a concern with you in regard to So Long, Marianne, perhaps you should apply the same principle to Eminem.
Nice that you "must admit" such wonderful things. Not still upset, eh? Whatever.......
"Happy listening" to Eminem. Not my personal taste, thank you.
, despite no response to what I'd hoped/intended to be a helpful post, in response to your [perhaps insincere?] query as to how to view a post while answering, as well as offering a trade for music unknown to you. Perhaps you're just the type who thrives on conflict. You did say you looked forward to crossing swords with me again, and you have bypassed several opportunities to acknowledge or build upon agreement. Ungaggling the message for you:
I listened to Eminem's lyrics on TV and elsewhere prior to knowledge of his being my neighbor's favorite and ~ guess what ~ disliked him all on my very own ~ based purely on, as I've already clearly stated ~ the content of his lyrics. When words are involved, a rhythm alone does not make a song for me.
My neighbor was strictly an aside. Sorry that was so befuddling for you.
Guess I missed all the f your mother's, murder your mother's, and other such elevating lyrics in the Beatles' music. Thanks for clueing me in. I'll be sure to stop listening, as I obviously should have long ago.
When you see them listed in my Favourite 10, however, just consider yourself befuddled for the moment and move on. It's clear from other posts I've written that I do not dismiss out-of-hand, but approach initial listenings with an open mind. Nor do I dismiss a body of work based on, or due to the attribution of heinous acts to, one song. Nor do I advocate that anyone listen or not listen to him, though I may go so far as to say that I don't feel they're missing anything, other than verbal/psychic pollution.
I was under the impression that he had back-up onstage ~ and since some groups are expressed in the singular, and as I recall [though can't name it], some singles are expressed in the plural, I just went with "group."
Helter-Skelter wasn't my favorite either. However, do feel welcome to point out the atypical song of Eminem's [from the profanity and violence of the norm of his lyrics] ~ or [relative to your bringing up the Beatles] the atypical song of Eminem's [from the "non-profane and non-violent norm" of his lyrics]. Not that I can't appreciate the profane/violent lyric, well-placed with purpose. However, since overkill is a concern with you in regard to So Long, Marianne, perhaps you should apply the same principle to Eminem.
Nice that you "must admit" such wonderful things. Not still upset, eh? Whatever.......
"Happy listening" to Eminem. Not my personal taste, thank you.
Hi Liz I don't actually thrive on conflict and I really wasn't intent on being bombastic towards you.
It was a genuine comment and not meant to be a slight. I have trouble actually locating your argument because you have so many permutations within any post you make. As if you have a complusion (and a thesarus) to cover every possible option available within the realms of any given argument. If anyone questions your opinions you have so many opinions within your answer the whole spectrum is covered therefore (in your opinion) you can never be wrong. A cunning plan methinks.
It was a genuine comment and not meant to be a slight. I have trouble actually locating your argument because you have so many permutations within any post you make. As if you have a complusion (and a thesarus) to cover every possible option available within the realms of any given argument. If anyone questions your opinions you have so many opinions within your answer the whole spectrum is covered therefore (in your opinion) you can never be wrong. A cunning plan methinks.
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neveranygood
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Hi Lizzytysh,
In regards to letting the rhythm and vocals deter me from hearing the lyrics, if only that were true.
I agree completely with your first paragraph to Kush, and your explanation to Paula as to why you don't care for Eminem.
Which brings me back full circle to my original general description of the rappers.
Bob
In regards to letting the rhythm and vocals deter me from hearing the lyrics, if only that were true.
I agree completely with your first paragraph to Kush, and your explanation to Paula as to why you don't care for Eminem.
Which brings me back full circle to my original general description of the rappers.
Bob