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Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 9:07 pm
by bee
1
) Bee, sometimes the Beast is not so well disguised and goes around in full classic outfit including the sulphuric perfume of some of your posts.
Tchoco- I would leave the angel songs to the angels-as for the beast-he creeps in everywhere-even in yours he is breathing heavily sometimes.
Got to run, I am afraid to be flooded from above
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 9:09 pm
by lizzytysh
Tom ~
I'm not sure on which of these two threads you posted your disapproval/disagreement with my way of handling the dispute, that ensued as a 'result' of my numerous, heavy, and 'emotional' postings regarding Hurricane Katrina and its numerous victims. Hurricane Katrina and its numerous victims are a heavy matter.
In your focusing on my commentary, it seems natural to conclude that [by omission] you condone, or don't find problematical, the commentary of others. As you know, that's your choice ~ however, while you are feeling disappointed in me, I am feeling equally disappointed in you.
Do not mistake my saying that as meaning that I would expect that, if you're going to bother commenting after such a long absence here, that you should pledge support 'of me', as some are doing of others, in this matter.
I will continue on this, later, as well. I have a meeting.
~ Lizzy
Regarding Squidgy
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 10:35 pm
by lizzytysh
To Joe, Greg, and anyone else who may know Squidgy ~
As a result of the notice I posted on the Gulf Coast News site [asking if anyone knows of Squidgy's whereabouts], with my contact number, I received a phone message from Rick [I'll give you his last name] in Oakland, California. He said that he used to work with "Jo" and is wondering about her, concerning Katrina, and wondering if I [we] have any information; or can pass along his good wishes, and, if so, to tell her that Rick from the San Francisco Chronicle called. He gave me his phone number, which I'll give you, as well, if you'll contact me. He said he hopes all is well.
~ Lizzy
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 10:39 pm
by lizzytysh
Dear Geoffrey ~
Thank you very much for your straightforward and kind compliments. I appreciate it.
~ Lizzy
Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 1:59 am
by bee
Crap, crap and more crap!
Snow- jump right into the cradle, mama is back home from the meeting!
Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:18 am
by ~greg
.
It's all the same to me. Because I think of everything
as source-material. For something or other. A work of art.
A report to the police. An accounting before my Maker.
Che sera. Whatever. I'm a dreamer. I know it.
Don't you think I know it?
But it's a good attitude anyway.
"To be in the world, but not of it."
http://relay.twoshakesofalambstail.com/ ... oversy.jpg
Just remember this.
In some ways I follow my father's trade.
And, as my father once said:
I would not have had that happen to you.
Discourtesy is unspeakably ugly to me.
So, I'll ask you all nicely, just one time:
How are our livers doing today?
~greg
ps:
Tchocolatl wrote:FLOODING A FORUM
Everyone knows that the member's list,
sorted by total posts descending,
looks like this:
Code: Select all
rank1 name date total
-------------------------------------------
1 lizzytysh 27 Jun 2002 8232
2 linda_lakeside 13 Sep 2004 2413
3 Paula 08 Aug 2002 1594
4 Tom Sakic 03 Jul 2002 1555
5 George.Wright 08 Jul 2002 1517
6 Byron 26 Nov 2002 1298
7 Tchocolatl 02 Apr 2003 1294
8 jarkko 26 Jun 2002 1107
...
1627
But it's misleading, because of the different joined-dates.
So, just for fun, I ran a perl script
to sort by average posts per day.
It looks like this:
Code: Select all
rank2 rank1 name date total avg/day
-----------------------------------------------------------
1 1 lizzytysh 27 Jun 2002 8232 7.035
2 2 linda_lakeside 13 Sep 2004 2413 6.684
3 41 Fljotsdale 06 Aug 2005 217 6.382
3 28 Tri-me 22 Apr 2005 356 2.542
4 12 Critic2 05 Sep 2004 796 2.157
5 7 Tchocolatl 02 Apr 2003 1294 1.452
6 3 Paula 08 Aug 2002 1594 1.413
7 4 Tom Sakic 03 Jul 2002 1555 1.335
8 5 George.Wright 08 Jul 2002 1517 1.308
9 6 Byron 26 Nov 2002 1298 1.275
10 94 Snow 14 Jul 2005 69 1.210
11 9 tom.d.stiller 07 Mar 2003 1107 1.207
12 19 bee 08 Apr 2004 594 1.144
13 22 Teratogen 21 Jun 2004 507 1.139
14 14 Makera 22 Sep 2003 736 1.025
15 473 Young dr. Fraud 05 Sep 2005 4 1.000
16 8 jarkko 26 Jun 2002 1107 0.945
17 135 Aslak 26 Jul 2005 40 0.888
18 11 LaurieAK 19 Nov 2002 840 0.819
19 10 Kush 08 Jul 2002 915 0.789
20 176 Ali 06 Aug 2005 26 0.764
21 83 Boss 16 May 2005 81 0.698
22 15 margaret 06 Nov 2002 702 0.676
23 166 rayc 29 Jul 2005 28 0.666
24 303 Vince 25 Aug 2005 10 0.666
25 733 Matti 06 Sep 2005 2 0.666
26 13 Pete 11 Jul 2002 766 0.662
27 79 Steven 02 May 2005 86 0.661
28 16 linmag 28 Jun 2002 700 0.598
29 390 Doctor Bob 29 Aug 2005 6 0.545
30 275 woody 18 Aug 2005 12 0.545
31 17 Andrew McGeever 07 Jul 2002 632 0.544
32 18 Sandra 27 Jun 2002 616 0.526
33 20 jurica 02 Oct 2002 552 0.514
34 37 Epurcelly 22 Mar 2004 273 0.509
35 52 Dylan 19 Oct 2004 164 0.504
36 359 katiewest 26 Aug 2005 7 0.500
37 21 Linda 28 Jun 2002 537 0.459
38 25 witty_owl 10 Apr 2003 405 0.458
39 63 Anne-Marie 03 Jan 2005 114 0.457
40 23 lightning 19 Jul 2002 505 0.439
41 72 Perth 02 Feb 2005 96 0.438
42 38 Rob 19 Jan 2004 254 0.424
43 175 Shane 09 Jul 2005 26 0.419
44 220 hleonard 30 Jul 2005 17 0.414
45 34 Helven 17 Sep 2003 292 0.403
46 89 Ghoti 15 Feb 2005 76 0.368
47 26 Vesuvius 29 Nov 2002 373 0.367
48 29 John the Shorts 15 Mar 2003 327 0.359
49 24 peter danielsen 11 Jul 2002 413 0.357
50 48 Insanitor 23 Apr 2004 176 0.349
51 202 Tom Elson 10 Jul 2005 21 0.344
52 100 SWITZ 01 Mar 2005 64 0.333
53 58 Martine 12 Aug 2004 131 0.333
54 27 partisan 27 Jun 2002 372 0.317
55 319 Love's Bastard 11 Aug 2005 9 0.310
56 33 Midnight 21 Jan 2003 297 0.308
57 120 Jim Williams 07 Apr 2005 47 0.303
58 201 Jinx 01 Jul 2005 21 0.300
59 569 jazz4111 30 Aug 2005 3 0.300
60 31 elazar 19 Nov 2002 306 0.298
61 35 Young dr. Freud 05 Dec 2002 288 0.285
62 70 rick 19 Sep 2004 100 0.281
63 51 Zabka 16 Jan 2004 165 0.274
64 154 bruna 11 May 2005 33 0.272
65 30 Andrew (Darby) 06 Jul 2002 308 0.265
66 214 Pedant 03 Jul 2005 18 0.264
67 69 ForYourSmile 05 Aug 2004 104 0.260
68 90 paints 28 Nov 2004 74 0.259
69 32 Joe Way 28 Jun 2002 298 0.254
70 36 Jo 28 Aug 2002 282 0.254
71 75 Sophistikitten 20 Sep 2004 90 0.254
72 472 ahmed 24 Aug 2005 4 0.250
73 59 smccallon 31 Mar 2004 129 0.244
74 45 Ben Kelly 23 Aug 2003 183 0.244
75 53 YankovicGretzky 23 Oct 2003 154 0.224
76 151 Diane 08 Apr 2005 34 0.220
77 39 Dem 29 Jun 2002 252 0.215
78 74 annaedith 01 Jul 2004 93 0.213
79 50 greta 01 Jul 2003 169 0.210
80 43 Coco 12 Feb 2003 197 0.209
81 123 Scooby Doo 31 Jan 2005 46 0.208
82 42 Cia 07 Dec 2002 201 0.199
83 61 catherine 26 Dec 2003 121 0.194
84 40 Henning 27 Jun 2002 221 0.188
85 88 ~greg 28 Jul 2004 77 0.188
...
Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:13 am
by bee
Hi Greg-thank you, impressive work!
As it was my post above your request for curtesy, I would respond.
Is hard to have any manners left, when one is smothered and suffocated by streams of meaningless words about compassion, which has no compassion to ones who have to endure it.
Sorry Greg, sometimes life could be tough!
Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 2:27 pm
by tom.d.stiller
lizzytysh wrote:~ however, while you are feeling disappointed in me, I am feeling equally disappointed in you.
~ Lizzy
Lizzy -
what's in a disappointment? What
is a disappointment? "A failure to satisfy the hope, desire, or expectation of someone", or: the action doesn't meet the expectations.
So you are disappointed by the way I acted. I'd regret that. But it proves that your expectations had been high-strung. I'm honoured by that.
You are perfectly right: There have been others than you who didn't handle the situation that arose in this thread in a way I could approve of. Just to give an example I could mention bee's remark about you wasting the tax payers' money when reading and posting to this forum while at work. (Aside: Indeed, bee, this was below the belt, and you know that.)
But I have said it elsewhere, and more than once: the bee must sting, and she always does when someone criticises
her bee-lovèd president. Most of those who don't feel as obliged to GWB as bee have been victims of her "stings". You have, Linda has, you know that I have. So I couldn't be disappointed by her getting into nasty remarks. (Aside again: But, indeed, bee, this never led to lasting enmity, or did it?)
You will have recognized, Elizabeth, that I didn't join the club of those who accuse you of "flooding the forum". This is simply because I don't think you do. Everyone will post as much, and in such style, as befits her or his personality. (Besides, I always agreed with what one of the great Marxes - Julius Henry, called 'Groucho' - once said: "I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members.")
Some people may feel that you post too much, or in a too emotional style, or essentially the same thing too often. I don't share any of these positions, but I make allowance for their stance.
Rudyard Kipling, who
was a racist, though not of the ranting and raving and raging kind - he cared for those non-British souls, and he loved them, I think, but "a philo-Semite is an anti-Semite who happens to love the Jews" -, this Kipling wrote in a poem called "If":
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or, being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;
From you, as one of the most experienced posters on this forum, I should have expected to "keep your head". Indeed, I was disappointed that you didn't. That's why I criticised you rather than someone else.
I could come back to details, but I believe that you yourself will be able to see them without me pointing at "the mote".
One final remark, as I'm typing this into my laptop computer while on a train that's already approaching it's (and my) destination:
Of course you didn't expect me to take to your side in this rather runaway discussion. You know that I never took anybody's side, but rather stood my own ground, and more often than not I was pleased to find out that others were on the same side of the matter, though for their own reasons I respected. You and I found ourselves on the same side of many issues, and I believe that this will happen over and over again. I just didn't approve of some remarks you made.
Cheers
tom
PS: My absence was due to having been "burnt out from exhaustion", then I restored my power on a long vacation. Right now I'm busy preparing something - but this will be published in due time. After that - it is already visible on the horizon - I'll come back to
flood the forum, as I sadly had to find out that I'm down to rank 12 in ~greg's modified top ten listing...
Re: Squidgy
Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:03 pm
by lizzytysh
Joe, Greg, and anyone else ~
Regarding Squidgy, I phoned Rick last night, left a message on his voice mail regarding our lack of any information, and asked that we stay in touch with each other to share any information either of us may get.
I just saw an (888) 544-5475 hotline number on TV, set up for Missing People from Hurricane Katrina. I'm currently on "Hold," which may go on for awhile, but I'll find out how it works; whether they have any info on Squidgy, or whether we are to just keep checking; or leave a contact number. I'll let you know the results.
I've been calling her home number every day, just on the off-chance that service might be restored, and she might be there. Likewise, with the other listed X I haven't made contact with. Stupid, in a way, to keep trying; but, there just aren't many options available from where I sit.
Okay, the number is for the Missing and Exploited Children, but they are taking information on others and putting it in a database, in case matches are made. So, she has not shown up in their system, yet. Still, he was able to locate [within the next 30 seconds] where I had entered her on [including nickname of Squidgy] the Gulf Coast News website.
The man I spoke with was very helpful, and continued, telling me also need to enter her into the
http://www.redcross.org system, with as much info as I can give [can one of you give me her approximate DOB? I 'put' her at approximately 40-45, so he put 45 ~ I already have her street address from the white pages site] and to check there, periodically, as well.
His final [excellent] advice was that I go to yahoo.com and enter her name into their PeopleFinder search engine because that scans ALL of the various websites that have existed before or been created since the hurricane, for this purpose, including that of Red Cross.
So, I'm going to the Red Cross and Yahoo sites next.
~ Lizzy
Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:41 pm
by lizzytysh
Dear Tom ~
I'll 'take it from the top,' as I'm able. Today is a particularly busy day, due to my having to leave early; as well as a heavier workload, due to an outside appointment and a meeting here, yesterday.
The other day [when the comment regarding my being at work was made] was an especially slow day. My workload varies from day to day. Still, I had time to complete my own work, and help someone else with theirs, as another person was out of work. The following day, I was scarce around these parts, as I had my own, heavier workload, but still helped the person who had been out, catch up with theirs, from the day prior.
I've taken to invisibilizing myself here, as it serves no particular purpose; but does provide 'ammunition' for more, inaccurate accusations. Simply minimizing the site leaves a person showing as being here, when they're actually not. I'm also signing out from time to time, so one of the "Hidden"s won't necessarily even be me. Now, I can minimize in peace. It's a bit of a pain to sign out and back in, too, but oh, well. The reality is that I'm a very committed worker, whom my supervisor can rely on for getting the job done, and doing it well. I don't appreciate comments to the contrary, but they're not as 'damaging' as some of the others.
The 'lowness' of the comment you're referring to was not as concerning to me as several others. At this point, she's expressed herself regarding me in two jobs, when I would never seek her as an employer to begin with. Interviews are two-way propositions, and 'both' sides make decisions on the outcome. I look at that comment from that perspective, and consider it in the same, GWB vein that you've already cited.
I'll return later to say more on the other issues.
~ Lizzy
WORD OF CAUTION
Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:54 pm
by lizzytysh
I originally posted this in the wrong thread, so have brought it here, as well:
A public-service message was given on NPR regarding people making contributions via the Internet. The approximate number of 1,200 'helping organization' sites has ballooned to approximately 2,300 since Katrina. Many of these additional ones are apparently fraudulent, with individuals exploiting the situation for personal gain. Some are 'appearing' to be Red Cross, when they're actually not. A reliable connection for Red Cross is simply
http://www.redcross.org.
Sure isn't the first time for that, since gas stations, hotels, and retail stores have also done the same in the past, with some of it having happened with Katrina. However, they are urging that you contribute only to those you already KNOW to be legitimate, and even mailing your contribution, or contacting them by phone to be certain of what their e-mail address actually is.
So 'many' go under the guise of something else, with pleas and verbiage that incline people to contribute, and the money simply goes into someone's pocket, and no further.
*************************************************************
These do not appear to be solutions. Squidgy is not listed [proper name, of course] on the Red Cross site ~ and it requires too much information that I simply don't have, and you're unlikely to, as well, to enter her. It won't accept my entry, based on lack of required info.
I can't find a People Search mode when I go to my Yahoo page ~ when I Googled "Yahoo People Search," I was able to get to a site for that -- BUT, it appears to search for name, address, phone number, DOBs, etc. and comes up with further links that appear to be ones you probably have to pay to access......and the DOB is the only thing that might be helpful right now. Even so, I lack other required info for the Red Cross site, anyway. No mention is made of Hurricane Katrina, which I somehow thought might be.
Perhaps, one of you two [both being way more computer savvy than I am] could attempt going there, and seeing if you could find a way to accomplish what the man on the phone said would be done.
~ Lizzy
Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 2:25 am
by Tchocolatl
Bee, I never have any pretention of being an angel, first, second, I do not have any pretention to be perfect, or better than anybody. I did my share of mistakes, here but I have the common sense to admit it. Not that it is an expectation that others admit anything or that I want them to be perfect. I'm not that fool. Although I won't take charges for what is not mine. For example, if the beast is breathing heavily in some of my post, well, this is its behaviour, after all.
Tom (d.stiller) I am under the impression of being accused of a crime I did not do. Again. (I still don't know if your gift to have me look bad is intentional or not, but with the time passing...) Worst, I have the impression that you pushed me to crocodiles in order to save your skin. Are you a coward or what? Do you really need to run the spot on an "error" of my part (as your false comments "disguised" my posts) to make you looks good? That would be petit, Tom (d.stiller). Where do you see "the club" you are talking about, claiming you are not a member of, please? (This is not a true question, in case you did not already understood.) There is not club. There is people, just like you, that are standing alone with their own opinion, just like you, and who express it, just like you do. If you can do it without it being a crime, I guess that it stands for everybody else. It appears that through times, many had the same opinion, which is normal because if you care for the reality you would have to recognize the phenomenon of flooding as as real as the phenomenon of trolling - in Internet. If you was not informed about this reality now you are. You could use the word and have fun with it. How great it is, don't you think so? If you read my previous posts to the end, you did remark, certainly, what I think about this on a leisure site and forum. Not an offense as it would be on a serious forum, because we are there to have fun, that's all, whit the different personnality we have, but, this is not the end of the world either if once in a while, somedody let goes a cry of impatience. Although, I feel that an altercation between to persons should remain "private" in my mind, in any case, it is certainly not an excuse for others to jump in the thread in gang against a person out of... I don't know what, exactly, and don't want to know, like wild animals. As I won't be there, please, don't answer me, it would be more sport from your part as I could not be there to answer you, and people who are absent and silent are considered to agreeing with what was said. This may not be the case. Therefore I thank you in advance for your respect.
Change of subject.
I read an article today about the American way of life plus plus plus of arab petrol kings. If it would have be the US, everydoby would have yelled. But there is a strange silence about their abuse of those arab petrol kings.
I have not links for now. Too bad.
Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 2:29 am
by Tchocolatl
Great job, Greg!
I saw that I am in my way to step on the podium. Just too bad I have no time left for this now.
Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 2:31 am
by Tchocolatl
I hope you'll find your friend Squidgee or will have news about her soon.
Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 8:14 am
by bee
Bee, I never have any pretention of being an angel, first, second, I do not have any pretention to be perfect, or better than anybody. I did my share of mistakes, here but I have the common sense to admit it. Not that it is an expectation that others admit anything or that I want them to be perfect. I'm not that fool. Although I won't take charges for what is not mine. For example, if the beast is breathing heavily in some of my post, well, this is its behaviour, after all.
Tchoco- I know you don't. My saying about the angel songs was, that we are no angels, nobody is, and you don't pretend to be better or anything for that matter. All is quite kool in that respect. You made me laugh about the behavior of the beast-that indeed is it's nature, I c'n feel it too sometimes.
Have you seen that Japanese movie-Grudge? Scary stuff, my heir stood up and all my spine went numb and cold, was watching it last night, that's how de beast works, scares ones self shitless.
Take care Tchoco!
