Sadness and Joy in the News

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 6:44 am

Here's another approach to the news and Hurricane Wilma:

OK LADIES, LETS SEE HOW GOOD WE ARE! WE NEED TO FOCUS ALL OUR INTENT AND ENERGIES ON SEEING THE STORM WILMA FALL APART BEFORE HITTING FLA COAST,,,,,,,WE CAN DO THIS,,, USE YOUR IMAGINATION, YOUR EMOTIONS OF JOY AT SEEING IT FALL APART, AND MAKE IT SO.......FOR EVERYONE'S GOOD WE MUST DO THIS. MAKE UP A RHYME, REPEAT IT 9 TIMES AND SEE IT BREAK APART, SLOWING DOWN, WIND GOING AWAY, RAIN BACK TO OCEAN, ALL BEING RESTORED TO HARMONY WITH CLEAR BLUE SKY AND GENTLE BREEZES. LETS DO THIS!!! see it and say it 9 TIMES:ZEPHYRS OF WIND, WATER SPRITES, RETURN TO YOUR HOME AND REST, POWERS OF WIND, MOTHER OF WATER, RECLAIM YOUR STORM AND EARTH ITS ZEST. GREAT MOTHER OCEAN TAKE BACK YOUR RAIN, SAVE THE PEOPLE AND LAND FROM MORE PAIN. WILMA BE STILL, WILMA BE GONE, WILMA BE NO MORE!!! SO BE IT!!!!!!!!! MAY THE GODDESS IN EACH OF US BE BLESSED ! SEE YOU AT THE FESTIVAL!AURORA

I apologize for all those caps, but this is the way the e-mail was when I received it tonite. It's from some women I know. It's a change, anyway, isn't it Tchoc?

~ Lizzy

lightning · Post by **lightning** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 4:01 pm

How about "Rain, Rain go Away..?"

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 4:11 pm

Not sure it'll catch all the variables, but I guess it's worth a try

.

I'm just hoping my friends in the Keys are leaving. They come in varying attitudes and styles. Whichever they choose, I hope they stay safe.

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Hmmm. Well, that's news for us here. The computer model that they're showing on CNN now, shows Florida divided into 3 'quadrant'-style zones [High/Medium/Low], coming from the southwest and dividing Florida into 3 parts that are basically 'horizontal,' for a predicted, direct hit by Wilma. South Florida is in High, of course; but, I was surprized to see us in the Medium zone

. Not that I really expect that occur

, because I don't; however, it is an interesting thought. Looks like we'll, at least, have a rainy-blowy weekend, for sure. Possibly loss of electric, at some point over the weekend [did I just hear a collective sigh?]

One of the officials being interviewed said it's going to take the Yucatan Peninsula [Cancun, Cozumel, etc.] years to recover from this, due to the particulars of the area, and the pummeling it's already taking and will continue to. The eye is much larger than it was, which makes for higher and more sustained wind speeds.

Some are apparently [no surprize because some are so bullheaded down there] planning to remain in Key West. They interviewed the mayor, and he is. This is the time of year for Fantasy Fest and the Goombay celebration, a Caribbean-flavored street festival; and they lose $5 million dollars a day in K.W. every weekend day that they're shut down. Fantasy Fest is still on the schedule for 10/25 - 10/30 [2 days lopped off] and Goombay moved back until 11/04 & 11/05. If they get a direct hit, these could be cancelled or severely compromised, and will be a major loss of revenue for the city. Fantasy Fest is one of their largest, annual events. Good Luck ~ Key West! I wish you were all safely out of there ~ but no surprize on that.

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It looks like Wilma is going to stall over the Yucatan, and beat her up for many hours, as she's moving, northwest at only 5 mph. Some people in that area are calling on cellphones begging someone to come get them, but no one can do anything to help them.

Due to the slow, forward speed, she's not expected to hit Florida now, until early next week. Even then, she may pass through the Florida straights, so it won't be as direct, but I think that's unlikely. They're saying her power will lessen when she gets away from the Yucatan. I'm not sure how that's expected, as she'll be back out into the warmer waters of the Gulf. We'll see.

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At least the predictions are that Wilma will be a Category 1 or 2, by the time it hits Florida, sometime into next week. Not that this is that much of a reprieve, but a whole lot better than a Category 3, 4, or 5! I hope nothing happens with the steering currents to let her head north to the New Orleans/Mississippi area.

Tchocolatl · Post by **Tchocolatl** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:10 am

Hum...

Boss wrote:Tchoc,

...the destruction of the ecosystem which includes the habit of not living in harmony with Nature...
is primarily because of human avarice. The ecosystem is buckling under the pressure. I agree with you. Will we make it? It remains to be seen. But if we could tackle this greed, get at the spirit level of Humanity so we have an appreciation of Nature - of the interconnectedness of all things - anything is possible.

If you have read all my previous posts, you may guess by now what would be my answer :

Greed is a consequence of uncounciousness.

Boss wrote: In fact I believe the problem in the entire world is of a spiritual kind.

Me too.

Boss wrote:We aren't connected. Each praying to His/Her own god, not noticing the similarities - our sun and moon, a cloud. We are one species, one human race with a multitude of stories, a rich history. We can march together as One, we can nurture our planet back to her former vitality. But not without common ritual, a common song. The need for a common belief system between the people on Earth is paramount. It must be clothed with familiarity and it must be filled to the brim with mystery!

This reminds me of a song (written in this song style decreased by Snow (see, Snow, i remimber you well, and your posts as well) :

Nous ne sommes pas pareils
Et pis pourtant on s'émerveillent
aux mêmes printemps
À la même lune,
Aux mêmes coutumes
Nous retournerons ensemble
Comme cendres
Au même soleil

Boss wrote:But I personally feel that to get there, we're gonna have to go through some difficulty. It ain't easy taking from a rich man!!

Regards Boss

Who said it will be easy. (Anyway : easy is boring.)

Regards,

Tchoc.

Tchocolatl · Post by **Tchocolatl** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:16 am

Lz, hum. Any thought and/or action could help, I think.

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:32 pm

Our latest, uninvited guest into this hemisphere is Alpha 2005.

With Wilma, I'd like to believe the Goddesses around the world are embracing and impacting her, by diffusing her power, even as we speak.

Tchocolatl · Post by **Tchocolatl** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:08 pm

It will be great, Lz.

However ordinary magic, like recycling, call on the politicians in order that they call on who-must-be-called to take care of the urgent ecological questions is great also.

We are like pigs (sorry pigs, 'cause I know that in nature you would never live like human make you live and after use this image as it it is yours, but...nothing's perfect) living in our own mess and calling to the gods to pick it up.

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:12 am

True, Tchoc. Not convinced [yet] that these hurricanes are directly linked to our squandering of the earth. There was another round of intense hurricanes in recent history.

Tchocolatl · Post by **Tchocolatl** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 2:29 am

I know what you mean. Climatic changes are part of the nature, our scientifics would like that the belief that they are controlling everything is true, but... we all know what the truth is about that. We don't know everything about so many phenomenon(s), weather included.

This said, the pollution we made is heating the ecosystem and this does amplify the winds and the danger for survival of many species, including us.

Wilma is on her way to hit South of Florida, now. Pray the Godesses or Godesses, pray!

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 2:49 am

Yes, I agree about global warming, and if 'nothing'

else, the overall intensity of these hurricanes has strengthened. Many, strong hurricanes in one year.

Yes, Wilma is. I hope my friends down there, and others I know, have left. They get very lacksadaisacal about it all. For this, I hope Katrina and Rita were lessons.

~ Lizzy

Byron · Post by **Byron** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 11:42 am

Lizzie, are you bunkered down in your hunker, or hunkered down in your bunker? I seem to be lsonig touch with my tative mongue........

Just listening to Margaret Atwood on morning radio arts discussion programme. Very illuminating.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/factual/starttheweek.shtml

There may be a chance to listen again, on-line, later this week. Bookmark the link.

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:58 pm

Yes, to one of those, but not for long. I have an appt. this morning in Gainesville [about 45 miles] with a chiropractor, so I'll be leaving a little earlier than normal. It's been raining, but no wind.

I have no idea how to bookmark things, other than "Favorites," but it won't do me any good from here [due to no sound] even if I did. I'll listen to it tomorrow from work. Looking forward

.

~ Lizzy

Boss · Post by **Boss** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:29 am

Tchocolatl,

You can rip my post to pieces for all you like, it doesn't give you any more expertise concerning the state of the environment. Some others give a damn as well.

Greed is not a consequence of the sub or un conscious mind. Greed is blatant and open like a wound on a horse's hind leg. It ekes out of Man, ekes out of his religion and ekes out of his Woman. It is open like a 7-11 store, open for all to see. But Men and Women like to ignore its pitfalls. This is their greed - they think by having more they will be content - they know this. If you'd read all my previous posts you'd see that I've been advocating having and being - these are two completely different ways of living in the world. Kind of like comparing Rupert Murdoch with the Dalai Lama. Enough said.

I never said anything would be easy. Read my past posts, I'm the 'prophet of doom'. It's gonna' be hell. Mankind will pass through into a new dimension but fuck; the price to pay. This is in alignment with Cohen's 1992 album The Future. In alignment with the uncertain days we live in.

I think I'm on your side. I care about the planet, about life. If you feel the need to pull this apart go right ahead. To be friends would give the ecosystem, the world, a better chance.

.

Tchocolatl · Post by **Tchocolatl** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:49 am

Hi Boss! I don't know what in the world in my post leads you to think that I riped your post in pieces. BTW, I'm not of the side of anybody, not even mine. If I am on a side, it is the side of justice and truth. Not a comfortable space to be. But Ey!

You know what? Between you and me (wink) I'm getting very tired that everything I say here is twisted in a bad side.

Maybe it is this wild street gang old forum culture that forces people to fight until a clear social hiearchy is going out of this, and the one who does win the fight, in a way or anogher, the one with the strongest smell, has always right? I don't know. I'm not very vindicative, and I just begin to be tired of fighting for nothing, really. I can not emit an opinion, of an innocent joke, or rock the boat a lillte, even when I do nothing some find the way to invent things. I would like that culture of forum evolves a little and be more like face to face encounters, in terme of respect to other people. But thinking about it, it is pretty much what is under the thin layer of varnihs that covers our humanity. Maybe, it is OK that it appears clearly black and white. I don't know. I don't even know it it may do a difference. But for me, now, I think I'll take a break of these forums for a while.

Take care.

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:27 am

Dear Tchoc ~

Maybe it is this wild street gang old forum culture that forces people to fight until a clear social hiearchy is going out of this, and the one who does win the fight, in a way or anogher, the one with the strongest smell, has always right? I don't know.

No, dear Tchoc, this isn't what's going on. This exchange has been between you and Boss, and he ended his last posting with,

I think I'm on your side. I care about the planet, about life.

However, Boss has also felt on the wrong side of the fence for awhile, too. You've mentioned this perspective regarding yourself, off and on, right along.

It's really not related to anyone new here, at all. Snow is trying to warn people for their benefit. Pretty caring thing to do, even if others consider it 'overkill', including yourself, and are telling him so.

For awhile, there was a great deal of INTENSITY here due to four women + a couple men here [no names necessary], none of them amongst the newcomers. We can get hostile and vicious, on our very own, here, without anyone's outside help

. There's been a tremendous amount of negative energy released in the world through nature recently ~ overall, I'd say since the Tsunami. A lot has happened around the world in the past number of months, including non-nature events. I feel these kinds of things register with us within our emotional bodies and are likely to manifest in various ways [no, I'm not suggesting these factors to be excuses ~ just considering possibilities]. A friend of mine has suggested that all this may be amidst the workings, as well; and I'm not really ready to discount that theory.

However, that negativity did seem to suppress some of the activity here, and a reprieve was felt when Jarkko's did an on-the-spot construction of his velvet wall, which was followed by the posting of the short stories from the competition. This was a relief I'm certain was felt by many, perhaps everyone, but I'd definitely say including you, including me.

Still some residuals of that energy seem to linger, though just a bit. Overall, we have taken a turn [as we've done many times in the past]. There's no reason for you to feel as though you're suddenly under attack. You admittedly, purposely and purposefully, play the devil's advocate many times. So, you're bound to get some contrary feedback from time to time, when you intentionally take issue, simply for the sake of taking issue; whether it's to flesh out the/an argument or to challenge people to think deeper and broader.

Anyway, I need to leave. I'll be back, and certainly hope to see you here when I return.

Love,
Lizzy