Muffins or War

Byron · Post by **Byron** » Mon May 24, 2004 12:25 pm

Makera, who is lying?
Bee, have you seen the film?
Hitler: why did he burn the books?
Inquisition: why did they burn the people?
Nixon, why did he resign?
Blinkers: how effective are they?
Deafness: how easy is it to assume it?
Dylan, "How many deaths will it take 'til he knows that too many people have died?"
Photography: thanks for speaking a thousand words.
The Jury: a French monopoly? I think not. Far from it. Follow the Link.
Have I seen the film? No. Therefore, I can't make a judgement on it.

Let us all step back and reserve our personal opinions until we have each seen the film. Any other course of action would be futile, ill-judged and unworthy of us all. This proposal would be my choice of action, but it does contain one very obvious flaw. Can you spot it?

bee · Post by **bee** » Mon May 24, 2004 2:29 pm

Byron, I've no desire to see the film and will not bother with that. It is enough what I've seen so far, enough to see Moore's ugly mug, and hear phoney speeches to know better than pay a cent to watch his demagogy.
I would not mind at all if the inquisition would have some serious talk with him, to ask him where the roosters go to sleep etc.

And I would not mind if Herr Hitler would come to visit Mr.Moorrre in his dreams to say smth about the book burning and about what Herr Hitler would do to traitors of the Faterland. About Nixon, don't know what happened to that guy, but neither does Mr.Moorre. Does Mr.Moorre know smth more about photography than the rest of us, who have not been at that particular jail? How many dead people Mr.Dylan has seen personally and does he know that the war has always been and always will be as long as the humankind exists, as long as we have a neighbour, we will have the need to hate them

When was the last time the French having any victory

always hiding behind somebody else

Jury- or ship of fools? Byron, please

Not only Mr.Moorrre is ugly, so is his his baseball cap.

Vesuvius · Post by **Vesuvius** » Mon May 24, 2004 2:33 pm

Cioa Everyone,

Of course Michael Moore won the Palme 'dor. That was a fore-gone conclusion. How could he not? It's a prize from a country that thinks Jerry Lewis is a genius.

Vesuvius

Makera · Post by **Makera** » Mon May 24, 2004 3:21 pm

Well said Vesuvius! Bravo!!

~ Makera

Byron · Post by **Byron** » Mon May 24, 2004 3:34 pm

bee, how 'interesting' (see other thread) to read that xenophobia is alive and ill and living on this thread.
I have not seen the film.
I will await its release and perhaps I'll watch it then. However, I will have the FREEDOM to watch it. (Don't you just love democracy)

Makera · Post by **Makera** » Mon May 24, 2004 4:30 pm

Byron ~

To be 'French' is a state of mind.

The character and credibility of Michael Moore has been well exhibited and exposed by his first 'triumph'. Celebrated by the left's agenda, the slanted and cunningly edited interviews with personalities in his so-called 'documentary', "Bowling for Columbine", established his methods, habits and purpose. Does a leopard change his spots?

The Beatitudes prove my point. Luke 6:22-23; compare with 6:26.

Note:
"The essence of lying is in deception, not in words. A lie may be told by silence, by equivocation, by the accent on a syllable, by a glance of the eye attaching a peculiar significance to a sentence; and all these kinds of lies are worse and baser by many degrees than a lie plainly worded; so that no form of blinded conscience is so far sunk as that which comforts itself for having deceived because the deception was by gesture or silence, instead of utterance." ~ John Ruskin

~ Makera

Proverbs 12:19

Byron · Post by **Byron** » Mon May 24, 2004 5:10 pm

How about, "Give a dog a bad name" ?

Kush · Post by **Kush** » Mon May 24, 2004 5:16 pm

I will certainly see the film when it is released. He may have something substantial to say or he may not. Or he may have some substantial points and not others. When I see it I'll make up my own mind about it. But to have already afforded him some kind of hero status or keeper of Truth status - ready to hang on to every pronouncement he makes (as some have done on this forum without even having seen the film) is doing a disservice to both him and insulting the intelligence of anybody who may disagree with him. When I see it I'll filter what I see according to my own life experiences and of course my own biases (we are all subject to biases based on our life experiences)

I haven't gotten around to seeing Bowling for Columbine but I do plan to at some point and I don't want to talk of it till I do.
I am always for gun control etc etc but on the other hand one of the nicest, kindest people I've known is a redneck momma who has personally done more for disadvantaged people around the world than anybody else I know. She also has a huge gun cabinet in the middle of her living room and considers it her right and heritage to own guns etc etc.
I disagree with her but I also wouldnt like her to lose something that is so dear to her. Such are the everyday contradictions of life and these are the personal experiences that shape our views.

Makera · Post by **Makera** » Mon May 24, 2004 5:51 pm

Byron wrote:How about, "Give a dog a bad name" ?

And this is what is called a non sequitur.

Unless it is in the sense of, 'every dog will have his day'.

"He that is habituated to deception and artificialities in trifles, will try in vain to be true in matters of importance; for truth is a thing of habit rather than of will. You cannot in any given case by any sudden and single effort will to be true, if the habit of your life has been insincerity." ~ F. W. Robertson

~ Makera

Byron · Post by **Byron** » Mon May 24, 2004 5:58 pm

For those who have not seen BfC, the massive K-Mart Company, did a massive U-Turn, when confronted by the victims of their company's cheap bullet sales. One must ask if K-Mart are managed by a 'bunch of left-wing apologists'? I think not.
Perhaps the naysayers could make a comprehensive list of all of the confirmed factual innacuracies which appear in BfC and his new piece???
Kush is going to see the BfC film, with an open mind and unbiased objectivity. A pity that others cannot view it (puns intended) in the same light. Would I be correct in remembering that BfC won an Oscar from a country that is not France.

Perhaps the following link might help to enlighten our readers. Or, is all the world mad except thee, and I'm very worried about thee.

http://uk.imdb.com/title/tt0310793/awards

Byron · Post by **Byron** » Mon May 24, 2004 6:08 pm

Chicago, Dallas, Florida, Kansas, Las Vegas, Toronto, Vancouver and The Writers Guild Of Amer. et al., must be stuffed full of left wing troublemakers. Or are they all simple-minded, easily deceived, misguided poltroons as well?

Vesuvius · Post by **Vesuvius** » Mon May 24, 2004 6:31 pm

Ciao Byron,

Yes! I remember the Oscars from that year. Michael Moore did get an award. I remember the big showboat (i think that is the word) he did on stage. I also remember Peter O'Toole got his lifetime Oscar. He gave a moving speech and was full of class. The contrast between the two men was so over whelming. Unfortunately, Peter O'toole was ignored by the press that evening because everyone had to focus on the big showboat. A BIG SHAME!

Vesuivus

bee · Post by **bee** » Mon May 24, 2004 8:42 pm

"The essence of lying is in deception, not in words" Makera wrote, that is so true if one wants to understand the true nature of mr. moore. I've seen the Columbine movie, the most disturbing of all in that, so called "documentary" was mr.moorre himself.
Vesuvius, I remember the Oskars you talking about, exactly the way you did.
I am happy that we still have the rights to keep the guns. No KGB would come in the midlle of the night to arrest me and my family, but if they do, I have at least the gun to defend myself, that is my right here.

I am not going to go like a sheep to slaughter, just because- only the government has the rights to keep the guns.

Byron · Post by **Byron** » Mon May 24, 2004 9:02 pm

May I refer you to the question I asked in my previous posting to this?
An answer would be a pleasant reponse. One might even say an indication of a bit of 'class.' But I won't hold me breath, bruthas an' sistars.

bee · Post by **bee** » Mon May 24, 2004 11:05 pm

"bee, how 'interesting' (see other thread) to read that xenophobia is alive and ill and living on this thread."- Byron wrote, obviously addressing the
"xenophobia" to me. Byron, could you kindly explain it to me, how did you come to this conclusion?

Would you mercifully change your mind about me, if I would sing some Hallelujah to mr.moo-rre

Muffins or War

Muffins (lightly toasted with perhaps a little strawberry jelly) or a *just* War with not very many casulaties

Muffins (lightly toasted with perhaps a little strawberry jelly) or a just War with not very many casulaties