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Hi NewZealander
my only concern about the soundsystem is its ability to clearly reproduce the songs' arrangements, which tend to be quite acoustic, and the voices, particularly Leonard's baritone/bassoon tone. The venue should bring no problems as it is a flat and open space without hard obstacles that reflect the sound thus making things tricky.
I guess it doesn't depend only on the material (on the "bananas" and on the mixing/amplifying), it deals also a lot on who's in control, but normally the production should reflect the tastes of the artist therefore I'm not worried.
About the Port wine (which is a special quality amongst the Portuguese wines) you should indeed try a good one (after jetlag recovery, blah blah... :) ).
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Luis

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Hi again Luis,
And no its not..blah blah..you've been very helpful to me....This is the longest trip Ive taken ..and I'm not sure about it but I hope that in fact jet lag will just smooth into a good nights sleep!.(Its my ears under pressure that may cause the biggest problem).....But I do have the ability to drop off to sleep for little naps after very busy days, and then continue on for several more good hours of work, so I hope I will be able to do that on the plane.. :) .I wont be drinking anything other than water till I get back on ground...But you are right ....I will be investigating the famous Portuguese Port Wine...and hope to bring home a very nice bottle of the best!?....of course that will need a few tastings to test quality :) ..In fact there is always good comes from mistakes!..Im now feeling quite delighted that I miscalculated my days..that possibly gives me more time to go North up the Coast before I go east through Spain to France...I read earlier on this post that the coastline North of Lisbon is quite stunning :?: ..And am I right in thinking that the "home of Port Wine Making" would be further North??..(Perhaps I should not be having this conversation here now as in fact we are not talking about dear Leonard Cohen, but its turned into travel advice...How would the adminstrators see that do you think... :?: )
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Re: Lisbon 19 July - on sale NOW March 26

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Hello NewZealander
I just know one person who travelled more than once to Hong Kong, and I know she used to take very strong sleeping pills that lasted almost all the trip. I know she did it more due to being a heavy smoker than to avoid the jetlag, but by doing it she avoided both problems. Maybe your little naps do the trick (try to have a comfortable seat when in the plane).
The good Port is worth investigating. I don't know if you cant take bottles with you when you go home, because of the flight restrictions on liquids that can be carried in the hand baggage. Putting wine bottles inside the luggage despatched is risky because wine will probably freeze (it's a long trip) and break the bottle. Even if it didn't I suppose that cryogenic treatment isn't the best you can do to good wines (the French who may read this will probably say in chorus "Vin surgelé??? Sacrebleu!").
The Port wine is made in the North-East region of Portugal, on the northern banks of the Douro river. Some centuries ago, after being made the wine was put into oak barrels and sent down the river to Oporto where it was sotcked and distributed. The Port name comes from Oporto (Porto in Portuguese), although it isn't made there.
If you fancy the indea of exploring a bit our country, you may come up North to Oporto - all the Port wine cellars are there but then you'll miss most of Lisbon. From Oporto you may either fly or take the international train that calls to Spain and France (passing through Lisbon). Oporto is quite different from Lisbon, more granitic and misty - a bit like the Northern Cities of the tales. I am very fond of Oporto's waterline under misty light or by night... it's one of my favourite images - and I'm lucky to see it often (I live 14 miles South from Oporto).
NewZealander wrote:(Perhaps I should not be having this conversation here now as in fact we are not talking about dear Leonard Cohen, but its turned into travel advice...How would the adminstrators see that do you think... :?: )
I don't know how will our forum administrators will react to this... I guess that the excitement caused by Leonard's tour caused a lot of euphoria and, in my opinion, the forum is handling it remarkably :!: But I reckon we should keep at least a foot on the ground otherwise someone gets annoyed, reports an abuse and then master Jarkko may feel forced to show us a yellow card (and send us to the sin bin - preventing us from posting- for some time) ;-)
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Luis

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HA HA!! :D So we will keep talking about this till we get the yellow card then eh.... :oops: I am glad you are telling me this, as I have all these books from the travel agent about the train, the tours etc, and in fact when I looked at the map of the country I thought that I could come back up the coast to the North by Porta (after the concert) and cut across the middle back to Spain and miss Lisbon. ..with a loop!...But I cant do that... its a train all the way back from where I came?.(the inland is obviously high and mountainous, like parts that are inland from here)....never mind..I will be buying one of those bulk several country train tickets (in New Zealand), and it was suggested to me that in fact I could spend days in towns/villages/the country and then get on the train and travel through the night which saves a hotel cost every now and then...So I could actually do it like that from Porto if Im covering "old ground"....Your descriptions of the country are so wonderfully vivid, you are a great ambassador for your country...I think I must come up and see around Porto!..(Sounds a bit like Central Otago,) So how long will it take you and your friends and family to get down to the concert...is it about a four hour drive?? ....
So they dont still send the barrels down the river??...I guess not, in this day and age, but a tour around listening to all that history would be intriguing!...
(I had forgotten all about those new rules on the planes, I used to go to Australia and buy lovely single malt whiskies!! :razz: at duty free...unable to do that any more??.....darn....might have to buy a nice bottle of port to take with me around Europe,as Im seeing friends further on in Italy......(one glass of that will be all the sleeping pills anyone should need!).... ;-) thanks again for your great tourist information,and I hope its also useful enough for others that we dont get a "Yellow card"...
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So they dont still send the barrels down the river??...I guess not, in this day and age, but a tour around listening to all that history would be intriguing!...
..Jeepers :oops: I've been feeling thoroughly embarrassed at my question of before about sending the barrels down the river!!...hell this is the 21st century!. :idea: ..I think not, they are probably now using some sort of hygenic and sterile production in steel containers??..(like the vineyards here).I guess I was just sitting getting carried away in time listening to your vivid and historic descriptions .....oh well...you can see I am really looking forward to first "the concert of the century" and then the tour of the surrounds after that...
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Hi NewZealander,
Thank you for the compliment :oops: . I do love my country, though I do fancy travelling to know other landscapes (and do some photographic film burning) and cultures (humankind is an endless source of good surprises and inspiration).
The oak barrels ceased to travel on boats downriver when the train was implemented (industrial revolution...). The trip downriver was not easy because the river was quite wild and the train made it safer and faster. Then during the 20th century a few dams were built for producing electricity, which made navigation not so easy (though it helped to control the river's wilderness).
Port wine ages in bottles (the finest, which is supposed to be drank a minimum 20 years after being bottled) or in oak barrels - I believe stainless steel is only used in the first steps of the production, during fermentation when they need to carefully control the temperature and the alcohol content.
Nowadays the cellars keep some of the boats in the yards for touring tourists a few miles up the river. There are also one-day or two-day trips up river - but on proper cruising ships combined with travel in an old steam train (the ralway sightseeing is very beautiful). The description may carry you away but that is the only cheap thing about it (most offers are expensive).
Normally you are allowed to buy bottles in the duty-free shops and take them with you as hand luggage (inside a transparent plastic bag), but you can not pass the controls with the same bottle. So, when you take the flight back home you can take a Port bottle with you if it is available in the duty-free area after the controls ;-) .
We'll see about the yellow card... they've got it all recorded, it's an easy job for the video referee... :razz:
Take care,
Luis

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Sounds like similar duty free rules as here..You've been very helpful Luis..Putting some ideas in my head of what to do....My youngest , now a young man of 24 is intellectually disabled...he has a huge passion for trains!!....we have these tourist destinations here with steam trains...and we've done them all!!.(many times!!)...I had better not tell him what is on offer in Portugal eh!.....Better be careful about holding up this forum though I guess.I've been thinking about your (obvious!?) passion for rugby and thought that perhaps I could bring something over from NZ for you (or your children) when I come, there is a rugby shop in the city.. ...I will look around over the next few months to see what is there..and get back in contact with you.....

Back to Leonard...Ive been playing his cds a lot (and watching some youtube videos too) as I build up to the July Concert!!...He is so good !!....I cant wait.... :D

(This morning (after a long dry and balmy summer) we've had a weather warning of a "weather bomb" coming up from the South.(Pole).wind rain thunder lightning, and snow down on the mountains today and over night....Portugal and Europe in the middle of that is like a bright star on the horizon :) )
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hi, there is no risk whatsoever of the port wine freezing in the aircraft cargo hold. The hold temperature is controlled by the pilot and is always held above 0C. Around 14C is usual. I have often flown long distances with alhoclic drinks in the hold and never had a problem.

Also, you should find a good selection of port in any Portuguese supermarket at prices probably less han half those in Duty Free.

See you all in Alges.

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cool...thanks Nick!....and I'll also be looking around for my cheap bottle of laphroig as I come back through... somewhere.?? for home.. :D ..(Port in Portugal is then pretty much the same as good Aussie reds and nice NZ Sav Blancs...supermarket prices are always cheaper here than the duty free)....its the good Scottish products that are the best buys at Duty Free...However I will take the advice of the helpful Portuguese while Im there about buying and bringing home a very wonderful well matured Port)...ooh yum..I'm not really an alcoholic, just like to know I'm drinking something worthwhile... ;-) See you all there...
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Hi Folks!
I'm back to the reality... it was oh!, so great to spend ten days with my husband alone... The best thing was to see the Sahara and have a ride on a camel. I had so much fun! And after so many years I've finally felt I am a woman too, not only a mother and a wife; and I just took care about myself, nobody else. You may think I'm selfish but the fact is I really needed to become a center of my own world for a moment.
And for the time being I'm very positive and I don't think the Lisbon concert may get cancelled. Benicassim has smelled fishy to me from the very beginning. It's just unappropiate place for Leonard's music.
NewZealander, welcome to the group! Thanks to you I've learned a lot about the Porto wine (seriously: Luis: you're just amazing!!!)
Cheers from a very happy, relaxed and suntanned magda
As for portuguese wine: I love gatao verde (green cat), it's so refreshing. And the almond licquor... hmmm...
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Magdasto---
Your holiday sounds wonderful, and I am glad you are keeping the faith re the concert. My trip to Portugal this summer will be one of those self care times for me as it will be the first trip in a long time without children along. I may not be drinking the wine (I don't drink alcohol) but I will be soaking up the sun and music like crazy. And I love seafood--can hardly wait to be someplace where it is a main feature again.
Welcome home!
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Re The Venue.......Hullo to you two ladies chatting again...yes Luis has been very helpful hasnt he. Interesting comments though about the venue, or are you talking of another one..I was going to come back here and ask a bit more about it.....so its like a big open field??....huge numbers will be there??..... :?: I had wondered about that, as I had visualised him in a smaller setting.....but we must realise there are millions of us coming out of the (back of beyond?),,to see "Our Man"....and he can not be performing in small intimate venues.....
So will everyone just sit around on the grass???.....(similar to the way we hold concerts at the vineyards here in the summer)..Perhaps not, our population is so sparse....there will not be so much room for that......What are the likely daylight hours at that time of year, here is is 10.30pm..but we are closer to the pole I think...I think the concert starts at 9pm??....
Anyway for me you are right, st theresa.. Like you I am so looking forward to the summer holiday in Portugal....!! the more I see and hear and read the more beautiful it becomes...And yesterday I bought a lesson book and cd of Portuguese..(I find it a very soothing language to listen to)...out of respect to our hosts I think that I should at least try and become a little more knowledgable in the language...
And yes girls..I am the same....its been nearly 30 years since I have been away for such a long time without having to worry about anyone but myself.....(and that shows my 53 years age..so I may as well be honest)....

Almond Liquer!!???....mmmmm. :razz: ...(As in the north is where they grow them??...and now they will all be in blossom??....)....Its going to be great isnt it :!:
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I'm sorry Im now answering myself!!...I see Magdasto that you were talking about the cancelled Spanish venue as being not the right place for Leonard to be performing...so you've come to Lisbon as well.....
While Ive been out in the sunshine this afternoon Ive been thinking about another conversation Ive been having with Luis off the board when he helped me get my picture showing...
All about the culinary delights of Portugal... a variety of lovely things including the seafood,and the sheeps cheeses which are so hard to find and very expensive in New Zealand..I talked about bringing some NZ produce (that will get through customs/bio security easily) as a swap for some Portuguese delights to take home....and the conversation got more and more into food....
I'm wondering...would it be at all feasible (or practical) to somehow all try and get together before or after the concert for a multinational get together!!??....with some of the food /wine / fun and obvious hospitality we are being given in Lisbon??..I guess we would need to have input from a local as to a suitable venue...perhaps near to or even at the concert??...Not so sure, over here the last few Ive been to you are unable to take any of your own food or wine....the promoters get their own profits by selling it there....
Any input on that idea??...feel free too anyone who sees it as an entirely impractical and impossible idea..though I would think just a place to meet before or after should get it to work???....We could all contribute some food....Drink. :?: ..
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Hi there,
NewZealander: you're my man, at least as far as food and drink is concerned... :lol:
I'm very eager to meet you all. I'm coming to Lisbon only for the event, so as the meeting is concerned just after the concert would be the best solution for me. We could go to some fado place in the center of the town and have some more music and wine...
Anyhow, I guess I'd better leave the organization for Luis. Got that, pal? :lol:
Lots of kisses to all of you...
magda
Oh, and one more thing: should any of you think about an escape to Spain (St Theresa?), count on me if you need any info, help, have doubts...
I have two little kids so I cannot offer myslelf as a guide but it will be a pleasure to keep in touch with you, cohenites...
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Hi again Magdasto....Except that Luis also is coming down from the North with some friends I think (he mentioned in an earlier post). Perhaps we cant expect him to interrupt other plans he has made, or know so well of a suitable likely venue. :?: I am like you as well, the next day I am travelling North to have a look around the other end of Portugal. :? Luis, where are you man? your input has been valuable, is this something that you and your friends would be able to help us organise. Do you know the area around the concert venue well enough to think of a place we should all meet after the concert?... :)
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