Who is not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?
Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 2:48 am
by Yankovic
Who is not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?:
The Diamonds, The Clovers, The Five Satins, The Penguins, The Surfaris, The Hollies, The Troggs, The Turtles, The Monkees, The Kingston Trio, Herman's Hermits, The Kingsmen, The Zombies, The Searchers, The Spinners, The Box Tops, The Shangri-Las, The Chantels, The Chiffons, The Marvelettes, The Crystals, The Harptones, The Miracles, The Contours, The Whispers, Tommy James and the Shondells, Paul Revere and the Raiders, The Osmonds, The Moody Blues, The Buckinghams, Blood, Sweat & Tears, Chicago, Genesis, Derek and the Dominos, The Spencer Davis Group, Blind Faith, Captain Beefheart, The Paul Butterfield Band, The Blues Project, Iron Butterfly, Foghat, Blue Cheer, Three Dog Night, The Doobie Brothers, The Commodores, Kool & The Gang, Dire Straits, Procol Harum, Poco, Yes, Deep Purple, King Crimson, Emerson, Lake and Palmer, Jethro Tull, Alice Cooper, KISS, Rush, The Cars, Cheap Trick, Heart, Electric Light Orchestra, REO Speedwagon, Foreigner, Journey, Styx, Boston, Kansas, America, Toto, Chic, Thin Lizzy, Blue Oyster Cult, Judas Priest, Little Feat, Fairport Convention, Steppenwolf, The Average White Band, The Guess Who, Canned Heat, Hot Tuna, Mott the Hoople, Gary Lewis and the Playboys, Grandfunk Railroad, Love, Supertramp, Roxy Music, Manfred Mann, Mannheim Steamroller, The Carpenters, The Steve Miller Band, The Stooges, The New York Dolls, Motorhead, Iron Maiden, Spinal Tap, KC and the Sunshine Band, Tony Orlando and Dawn, The Neville Brothers, ABBA, Air Supply, Bread, War, Free, 10cc, Ambrosia, Joy Division, New Order, Television, The Buzzcocks, Billy Idol, Duran Duran, Depeche Mode, Def Leppard, Beastie Boys, INXS, Bon Jovi, 10,000 Maniacs, Guns 'N' Roses, Nirvana, Pearl Jam
Peter, Paul and Mary, Jan and Dean, Sonny and Cher, Chad and Jeremy, Ashford and Simpson, Loggins and Messina, Seals and Crofts, England Dan and John Ford Coley, Hall & Oates, Rufus and Chaka Khan, Tears For Fears, Wham!, Richard Thompson, Linda Thompson
Ella Fitzgerald, Big Mama Thornton, Dee Dee Sharp, Peggy Lee, Peggy Sue, Barbra Mandrell, Barbra Streisand, Leslie Gore, Connie Francis, Patsy Cline, Petula Clark, Dolly Parton, Joan Baez, Judy Collins, Nico, Melanie, Laura Nyro, Janis Ian, Mary Wells, Roberta Flack, Dionne Warwick, Patti Labelle, Marianne Faithful, Anne Murray, Darlene Love, Cher, Tina Turner, Bette Midler, Carly Simon, Linda Ronstadt, Helen Reddy, Rita Coolidge, Melissa Manchester, Donna Summer, Gloria Gaynor, Chaka Khan, The Pointer Sisters, Olivia Newton-John, Stevie Nicks, Kate Bush, Cyndi Lauper, Pat Benatar, Joan Jett and the Blackhearts, Gloria Estefan and the Miami Sound Machine, Whitney Houston, Janet Jackson
Bing Crosby, Frank Sinatra, Tony Bennett, Mel Torme, Pat Boone, Johnny Mathis, John Coltrane, Willie Nelson, Harry Belafonte, The Big Bopper, Chubby Checker, Tiny Tim, Ben E. King, Lee Dorsey, Bobby Rydell, Paul Anka, Neil Sedaka, Dick Dale, Donovan, Fabian, Tom Jones, Neil Diamond, Engelbert Humperdink, Barry Manilow, Kris Kristofferson, Kenny Rogers, Randy Newman, Phil Ochs, Don Ho, Don McLean, Jim Croce, Cat Stevens, Harry Chapin, John Denver, Joe Cocker, Ringo Starr, Barry White, Lou Rawls, Albert King, Joe Tex, Charles Mingus, Thelonious Monk, Todd Rundgren, Billy Preston, Aaron Neville, Harry Nillson, Jimmy Cliff, Leon Russell, Merle Haggard, Gram Parsons, Gordon Lightfoot, Steve Winwood, Peter Gabriel, Phil Collins, Lionel Richie, Don Henley, Sting, Tim Buckley, Jeff Buckley, Boz Scaggs, Peter Frampton, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Ozzy Osbourne, Lou Reed, Iggy Pop, Warren Zevon, Tom Waits, Jimmy Buffet, Eddie Money, George Benson, Al Jarreau, James Ingram, Peabo Bryson, Luther Vandross, Herbie Hancock, Rick James, Kenny Loggins, Robert Palmer, Bryan Adams, George Michael, Meatloaf, "Weird Al" Yankovic
John Simon, Tom Dowd, Arif Mardin, Quincy Jones, Wolfman Jack, Casey Kasem, Bernie Taupin, David Foster
Re: Who is not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:48 pm
by Yankovic
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Neil Diamond Disappointed He's Not in the Hall of Fame
05.09.08 09:10 PM | Snubbed | Permalink
Neil Diamond has been in the news lately, with the release of his new Rick Rubin-produced album and his cameo on American Idol. So it's not surprising that a reporter asked him about his absence from the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
The star is disappointed he is continually turned down by the panel - even though he thinks he has made a very significant contribution to the industry. He says, "It makes me wonder. I've paid my dues, I think, and I think I've done good work. I'd like to be in there with my peers.
"Maybe you just have to keep doing it and I'll get in there some day."
Diamond has been eligible since 1988, and at some point over the past 20 years, the Rock Hall Nominating Committee has seriously discussed his credentials, but he has never appeared on final ballot.
The vast majority of Future Rock Hall voters (87%) are confident that Neil Diamond will one day be inducted.
A Case for Chicago
06.06.08 12:05 AM | Snubbed | Permalink
Phil Gallo, over at Variety, discusses whether or not Chicago and the Doobie Brothers should be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. He argues that Chicago deserves it, but the Doobies don't (but he never really states why not).
His case for Chicago:
Chicago... were revolutionaries. "CTA," "Chicago," "III," "V," "VI" and "XI" pushed the limits on conceptual boundaries and displayed superb musicianship. And they had hits, which has somehow been labeled as a sin over time.
I have been appalled by the acts that have made it in ahead of them. It shows the bias of the hall's voters - they are either too old to have the wistful childhood memories of the early '70s or too young to fully appreciate how distinctive they were in the pop landscape at the time. Chicago made a difference back then.
Both Chicago and the Doobies are fan favorites, but each have been eligible for over 10 years without a single nomination, so they have to be considered long shots for future induction until the Rock Hall reconsiders the 70's.
VARIETY
http://weblogs.variety.com/thesetlist/2 ... nspar.html
Adding Transparency To A Critical Process: Giving Chicago Its Proper Place In The Rock 'n' Roll Canon
Chicago and the Doobie Brothers perform two shows this week at the Gibson Amphitheatre, yet another summer tour double bill that has made Chicago one of the strongest B.O. attractions at amphitheaters over the last several years.
Previous years have featured Earth, Wind & Fire, America and Huey Lewis & the News, but this year's trek will bring Chicago fans in contact with a set of fans who have something in common: An feeling that their band is being unfairly snubbed by the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
Well one side is right, despite there being a number of striking parallels. Both acts came of age in the early 1970s playing distinctive music that had only a modicum of a link to a 1960s sound; both had minor hits with covers, Chicago doing Spencer Davis Group's "I'm a Man" and the Doobies with the Byrds' "Jesus is Just All Right"; they had success using different vocalists; and their signature sound at the end of the decade bore little resemblance to the sound they started with. At various times in the 1970s, they were among the five most popular bands in the U.S.
The Doobies, out of San Jose in Northern California, delivered magical harmonies and a blueprint for rock music that drew on a range of elements; few acts fused hard rock and boogie with a front porch sensibility so convincingly; you can't tell me that the Dave Matthews Band does not rely on a similar formula.
Chicago, on the other hand, were revolutionaries. "CTA," "Chicago," "III," "V," "VI" and "XI" pushed the limits on conceptual boundaries and displayed superb musicianship. And they had hits, which has somehow been labeled as a sin over time.
Any kid who studied an instrument in the early 1970s saw the songs of Chicago and the Doobie Brothers as worthy challenges that once commanded, were sources of pride Both had exceptional, gifted guitarists though Chicago's Terry Kath has never received his true due while Jeff Baxter's talent have been thoroughly examined. The horn section and the key songwriter, Robert Lamm, still lead Chicago, which can still impress in concert when they step away from the wall of hits and proffer their more adventurous music; the Doobies less so.
Endurance does not win prizes in the performing arts -- until the creators are beyond retirement age. Chicago could have called it quits after Kath's death and let their 10 or so studio albums be the entirety of their catalog or they could have imploded in the early 1980s when MTV started shaping pop music and examples of '70s excess were tossed aside. They not only soldiered on, they reinvented their sound, creating a new mainstream sound for adults. Not my cup of tea musically, but an achievement nonetheless.
Rhino Records will release on June 17, "Stone of Sisyphus (XXXII)," the album Chicago turned in to Warner Bros. in 1993 that the label refused to release. Produced by Peter Wolf, it was a return to the adventurousness of their early '70s output and was deemed not commercial enough. The guys in the band packed their things and left WB at that point, but have never seen fit to release this work.
I was a fan of the band between the ages of 11 and 16 - basically the classic "Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is?" through "Wishing You Were Here" - and was hired to write liner notes for their boxed set and few reissues in 2003. It feels far enough removed that I can return to writing about the band critically, which I have begged off for the last several years. Material on the boxed set, by the way, emphasized their deft compositional abilities, specifically the manner in which they used 20th century classical technique.
In the years since I wrote those liner notes - and I went in thinking the band had been under-appreciated critically and deserving of the Hall of Fame - I have been appalled by the acts that have made it in ahead of them. It shows the bias of the hall's voters - they are either too old t have the wistful childhood memories of the early '70s or too young to fully appreciate how distinctive they were in the pop landscape at the time. Chicago made a difference back then.
Having taken in mostly theater since returning from Cannes ("Chorus Line," "Jersey Boys"), my one concert was Cher, leaving me with 69 concerts and 181 acts to go on the path to 100/300. At least summer is here.
IDOLATOR
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Variety Writer Wants To Know Why Chicago is Not In the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
I've actively avoided the early work of Chicago (thanks to a childhood spent hearing its later material), so I can't say whether I agree with Variety's Phil Gallo and his contention that the band and its "superb musicianship" has been unfairly kept out of the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame. But I'm intrigued by one of his claims: "It shows the bias of the hall's voters—they are either too old to have the wistful childhood memories of the early '70s or too young to fully appreciate how distinctive they were in the pop landscape at the time." Whether it's due to this alleged age schism (I doubt that the "rock experts" who get ballots don't include people with childhood memories of the early '70s) or not, there are quite a few commercially successful and even critically acclaimed artists who released notable works in that decade and have been ignored by the voting public.
Re: Who is not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:25 pm
by Yankovic
Someone at the Future Rock Hall
http://www.futurerockhall.com website has come up with observations on how the Rock Hall chooses who to induct and who not to induct:
Comment of the week
10.01.07 11:04 PM | Rock Hall Politics | Permalink
This comment was posted by Matt on 9/29/07 in the 2008 Nominees thread. It has a number of astute observations about the realities of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction process: From paying special interest to the nomination process over the past few years, I've been able to draw several conclusions about the selection process.
If you have any insight or theories of your own, please share.
THINGS THAT WILL WORK IN YOUR FAVOR
1. Being a larger than life figure.
The Rock Hall wants to grab headlines, and will need to fill seats and get ratings from the ceremony. Madonna is an enduring pop culture phenomenon, and can be seen as the home run, marquee talent. Only Michael Jackson is really comparable here.
2. Being critically acclaimed AND commercially successful.
Critics and the masses are two distinct camps. If you have favor with both, your chances are excellent. Beastie Boys have sold very well over the course their career--Licensed to Ill was the top-selling rap album of the 80's, and check the wikipedia entry for its accolades. Paul's Boutique, huge critical favorite. Ill Communication topped the charts.
3. Continued success and longevity.
Just because your band is still together, doesn't mean it's relevant. If you've been in the game for decades, and get radio airplay with artists 20 years younger, you have a great chance. Avoid being labeled a nostalgia act.
4. Survival in the face of changing tastes.
Grunge destroyed hair metal. Bands like U2 and R.E.M. adapted and even elevated their careers. Survive cultural sea changes.
5. Have friends in high places.
If you're buddies with Jann Wenner, Jon Landau, Bruce Springsteen or Dave Marsh, you will probably get in.
6. Be old.
The selections are made by crusty dinosaurs. Sonic Youth didn't stand a chance with this committee.
7. Affirmative Action.
The nominating committee will always select several black candidates of wildly varying qualifications. Soul, Blues, R&B, Funk clearly have favor over some guitar-based, predominantly white sub-genres.
THINGS THAT WON'T WORK IN YOUR FAVOR
1. Being prog, hard rock or metal.
Clearly these are not committee favorites. Much of the artists classified as such are boring, pretentious, overly indulgent, or polarizing. Still, many others are great. But it doesn't really matter.
2. Lots of filler.
If you have several essential recordings, but lots of misfires, your legacy will be watered down. Concise and impactful careers, and consistenly good artists will be viewed more highly than low-percentage hitters (3 strikeouts for every home run).
3. Confusing history.
Deep Purple probably has 30 current and former members, denoting by Mach I, II, III, IV, V etc. Who do you nominate, who do you exclude? Nobody, it makes your head hurt just thinking about it.
4. Being overtly commercial at the expense of your art.
Bon Jovi and Journey, you lowest common denominator power balladeers, you don't stand a chance.
5. Enemies in high places.
Jann Wenner hates the Monkees. So they won't get in. Dave Marsh hates Kiss, so they won't get in either.
Can anyone think of any others?
Re: Who is not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?
Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:44 pm
by Yankovic
Here is the Rock Hall Inductees Thread:
The Rock And Roll Hall of Fame: 1986-Present
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=9472
kyleargyle wrote:Did that say no Frank Sinatra? I know what he did was hardly rock, but still, somehow that seems surprising to me.
Frank Sinatra would be inducted in the "Early Influence" or "Lifetime Achievement" category because he pre-dates Rock!
Here is the Frank Sinatra page at the Future Rock Hall:
http://www.futurerockhall.com/artist.ph ... nk_Sinatra
The Rock Hall Nominating Committee met on September 9th!
http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news ... ders_N.htm
THIS IS REALLY BAD! WHAT A SAD STATE OF AFFAIRS AT THE ROCK HALL:
Bon Jovi has best shot at 2008 Rock Hall of Fame induction
Bon Jovi has "just enough rock legitimacy among critics and sales power that it's hard to see skipping them," says MSN senior music producer Sam Sutherland.
The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is proud to induct Canada's weirdest band, Skinny Puppy …
OK, that's not a likely scenario, even if the industrial experimentalists are finally eligible. But when the nominating committee for the Rock Hall sits down today in New York to hash out nominees, the first step in the process that will elect the class of 2009, it will be choosing from a relatively unappetizing menu of first-time prospects.
The closest thing to the Madonnas, R.E.M.s, Van Halens and U2s that have starred at recent inductions is probably Bon Jovi.
Another leading prospect is the late blues guitarist Stevie Ray Vaughan, but the rest of the crop — including Cyndi Lauper, k.d. lang, Billy Bragg, and metal extremists Slayer — are more marginal prospects.
Which means the committee will need to turn to holdovers — those previously eligible artists who have yet to gain sufficient support. Among them are previous nominees Chic, Donna Summer and the Beastie Boys, all of whom must confront the "Is disco or rap really rock?" conundrum that regularly polarizes voters and fans.
"If people are adamant in their disregard for disco," says MSN senior music producer Sam Sutherland, "Chic is in trouble. But talk about a band with crazy chops who used a rock vocabulary … they should be in."
Sutherland feels Bon Jovi has the inside track for induction. "They have just enough rock legitimacy among critics and sales power that it's hard to see skipping them," he says.
A number of perennial fan favorites long ignored by the Hall — Rush, the Moody Blues, Chicago — shouldn't raise their expectations, Sutherland says. Their disconnect with the critics and executives who dominate the nominating committee is still in strong effect. But he holds out hope for one long-overlooked legend, Neil Diamond.
"He's got his credibility back, working with (producer) Rick Rubin," Sutherland says. "All those years of spangled shirts and summer shed performances obscured his '60s Brill Building credentials. But now he's got a much better shot than he did 10 years ago."
According to MSN senior music producer Sam Sutherland, A number of perennial fan favorites long ignored by the Hall--Rush, the Moody Blues, Chicago--shouldn't raise their expectations, Sutherland says. Their disconnect with the critics and executives who dominate the nominating committee is still in strong effect. But he holds out hope for one long-overlooked legend, Neil Diamond.
Chicago is mentioned as a "holdover."
From a recent interview with Chicago:
Robert Lamm said: I have been told by members of the Board who I'm acquainted with that Chicago's name does come up year to year. We have kind of gone through the whole vetting process but we've just never made it through to number one.
From the President of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Museum, Terry Stewart:
I nominated Chicago last year. Unfortunately, they did not receive enough votes to make the final ballot. And no, there are no political issues or bad blood…just not enough votes.
