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Not Waiting for the Miracle

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 5:54 pm
by Taigaku
Hi everyone~

Since my proposed spirituality section is not getting the feedback I had hoped for, I hereby start it off as just another thread in the poetry section.
I am still of the opinion, however, that a separate section should in the future be made for this purpose - it would be easier to navigate, with specific themes etc.
But be that as it may; here's my first contribution on a thread I hope some of you will follow up :D



The Heart of Emptiness
-thoughts on Christianity, Buddhism and the spiriual life,
inspired by the songs of Leonard Cohen



“I needed so much to have nothing to touch
I have always been greedy that way” –Night Comes On


Reading the above quote as a reference to the spiritual desire for “immersion in the Void”, one would have to agree that, yes, it is a kind of greed. This desire is perhaps the first impetus to starting on the spiritual path, but it is an immature desire, in its nature the same as all the material or worldly desires of the ego.
It comes out of an experience of lack, a painfully paradoxical position of a mind that has not yet learned that its object of desire is in fact not an object to be gotten hold of, but an altogether different way of being. Only in letting go does one arrive, only in release does love increase. And this, the love aspect of it, is not grasped at all by the initial desire, too consumed with itself – with its wanting enlightenment - to relax and just be, to allow everything to be as it is.

·

“Love’s the only engine of survival” –The Future

Yet, for many there is another starting point, one that does indeed acknowledge love’s part in matters spiritual. Too often, however, people of this temperament have a somewhat warped image of the Divine Love that they rightfully hold to exist.
Theirs is experience grounded in belief. And like desire, belief is a powerful aspect of the ego, and also a subtle barrier against realizing the true spiritual life, leading instead often to the fortification of boundaries both within oneself, and between self and others, thus being counterproductive to the Divinity it claims to serve.
Belief can be said to be exclusive, whereas true spirituality is inclusive, resting in its own inherent authority without any need to defend itself or in any way manipulate others, seeing not division but unity. Spirituality is the living freedom of love, while belief really is an expression of a personal need for love.
In this context Christ’s admonition to “love others as oneself” becomes an expression of a most important point – the need to move beyond the personal.
Also St. Francis of Assisi, in the prayer bearing his name, accentuates this, saying that “it is in giving that one receives, in dying that one is resurrected to eternal life”. This dying is in its true, spiritual sense the same giving up of the ego that was mentioned earlier, and not, as some Christians presume, an allusion to a Heavenly afterlife.
I see Christ not as the one Son of God who promises eternal bliss for those who believe in him, or rather, understood the right way, I do…
For believing in Him can be said to mean to follow His example. I quote from the Gospel of Matthew:

Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

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”There is a crack in everything
That’s how the light gets in” –Anthem


“The heart has got to open in a fundamental way” -Democracy

Everything, as it is, is Truth. This is the highest teaching of Advaita Vedanta and Mahayana Buddhism. It doesn’t much help to hear it stated, though. “Everything is Truth” does not console in troubled times. Repeating it does not bring you closer to God. Put differently, it is not something to be believed, not an idea for the mind to grasp.
But come back, to the present moment. This is the beautiful teaching. Be alive to your surroundings. Do not let yourself be carried away on the mind’s magic carpet ride, the endless flow of thoughts, worries, desires, but let them come, and let them go. Breathe, and know God to breathe in this body you are used to calling your own.
Be this Awareness of what is going on in and around you. Take up the practice of meditation to help you in your pursuit of a truer life. It will be a help – gradually the mind will become less troublesome, and you will be more alive to the present moment. The joy of God’s ongoing creation will be more deeply felt. In Matthew, once more, it says:

24Then Jesus said to his disciples, "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. 25For whoever wants to save his life[8] will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will find it.


Blessings of Peace!

~Taigaku

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 6:38 pm
by lizzytysh
Regarding your new thread :D ~ so aptly titled :) :wink: 8) !!!

Dear Taigaku ~

I'm so glad to see you started this thread. I'm at work, and running behind, so it's impossible for me to even read your first posting with the attention it deserves, much less respond to it. However, I'm thrilled to see you going forward with your excellent idea :D 8) !!! I fully support you!!!

Love,
Lizzy

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 6:55 pm
by Makera
Taigaku~

Beautifully done; beautifully explained.
I know, and fully understand, your feeling that these subjects should have their own forum, and I do agree in part. But, I still can't help feeling that some, who would not choose to go to such a forum (for whatever reason, preconception or suspicion) may miss something they may otherwise have found on a forum with less overt 'labeling'. The serendipity thing cannot be underestimated as a spark to new concepts. I of course would be happy to see a forum for such discussions; the only way to know if it would 'fly', is to have one. :D

Love,
Makera

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2003 10:30 pm
by June
Taigaku. At last I have found a section were I can join in. I want you to know I am happy that you started it. I was hoping to see your section start but some of them were not happy to do it. I can have a read of what you wrote and will come back to this section. Good luck.

Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2003 12:02 pm
by Makera
Taigaku~

I'd like to offer a paradigm, or alternate, reading of the line quoted from Anthem:
'There is a joke in everything
That's how the light gets sin'

For contemplation. :idea:

Love,

Makera

Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2003 12:22 pm
by Makera
Here are some notable quotes from Mohandas Gandhi:

"If I had to face only the Sermon on the Mount and my interpretation of it, I should not hesitate to say, Oh yes, I am a Christian."

"The Allah of Islam is the same as the God of the Christians and the Ishwar of Hindus."

~Makera

Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2003 3:03 pm
by Taigaku
Thank you, Lizzy, Makera, June.

Makera, why don't you write a piece about 'how the light gets sin'! 8) It's a joke
not many people know...

I'm with Gandhi :)

Peace,
~Taigaku

Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2003 4:47 pm
by witty_owl
Taigaku, I should like to return at a later date with a well considered reply which is beyond my capability at this moment due to the tyranny of time. If you wish to pursue this further with others of ~ similar interest then try visiting this address. But be prepared for a variety of responses including some that may be scathing. (just a warning)

http://www.kinfonet.org/Discussion_Forums/default.asp

This is at the Krishnamurti website set up for discussions of this nature. Here you will encounter some thoughtful and intelligent characters and some real whackos. :)

Cheers, Witty Owl.

Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2003 4:51 pm
by Taigaku
Thanks, Owl :)

Aye, with Krishnamurti-ists I'll expect to be ripped to shreds...
No Big Deal :D

Peace,
Taigaku

Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2003 2:06 pm
by Makera
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Keys. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Truth - Source: the LAW . . . .is . . . LOVE :. . . God - in Father
Light - Power :
the ARM . . . . is . . . ONE :. . . . Will -- in Son
Way - Mind :
. the HAND . . . .is . . ANOTHER :. Help - in Spirit
will -- Soul :
the FINGER/s . is/are . As I AM :. .Those - in Man
mind - Heart :
. . .Here . . . . NOW . . Loving :..Who Love - Awakened
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .YOU . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

1987

Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 3:21 am
by Taigaku
Today, I bring only a couple of quotes, both from the book I am That by Sri Nisargadatta:

"Do not try to know the truth, for knowledge by the mind is not true knowledge. But you can know what is not true - which is enough to liberate you from the false. The idea that you know what is true is dangerous, for it keeps you imprisoned in the mind. It is when you do not know, that you are free to investigate. And there can be no salvation without investigation, because non-investigation is the main cause of bondage."

"Cease from looking for happiness and reality in a dream and you will wake up. You need not know all the 'why' and 'how', there is no end to questions. Abandon all desires, keep your mind silent, and you shall discover."

Blessings of Peace,
Taigaku

Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 3:37 am
by lizzytysh
Hi Taigaku ~

I'm glad to see you back :D . These are beautiful quotes you've brought here.

The segments of the first one that really resonate with me are: "...for knowledge by the mind is not true knowledge....The idea that you know what is true is dangerous, for it keeps you imprisoned in the mind. It is when you do not know, that you are free to investigate....because non-investigation is the main cause of bondage." It almost amounts to the whole thing, doesn't it :wink: ?

With the second one, which relates to the first, what resonates is: "You need not know all the 'why' and 'how,' there is no end to questions."

The rest of each is just as important, of course, yet these phrases struck me most, as I read them this time.

~ Elizabeth

Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 3:36 pm
by Makera
For Love
I know nothing
but what I am
Known by
and
Know from
ONE that is
ALL

~Makera~

Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 5:58 pm
by Taigaku
November Poem

Lecturer, amiable man, makes
a Big Point out of
differences:

Atman, Self, of Hinduism
Anatta, non-self, of Buddhism

Ah, Academia!
Sometimes you make me forget
why I love you

The fall colors
already past, no leaves
left on the trees
. . . . . . only rain rain rain
& scattered poems

water dripping
from bare branches

Huge Umbrella of the Mind
like see-through
underwear –

I don't object. Even
your delusion
is truth! even mine!
And misty afternoon
Nov 18. Only this

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 8:57 am
by Makera
Taigaku~
Wonderful poem!
And, beautiful avatar image! I especially love the colours of, and the beam through, the Yin Yang. 8)

I'd like to share some qotes from C G Jung, which I thought you may truly appreciate:

"The needful thing is not to know the truth but to experience it."

"Knowledge rests not upon truth alone, but upon error."

"The least of things with a meaning is always worth more than the greatest of things without it."

"One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious."

"Love is a force of destiny whose power reaches from heaven to hell."

Love,
Makera