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The Partisan
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:41 pm
by Lazysuit
'An old woman gave us shelter..then the soldiers came, she died without a whisper'
This line bothers me. Why do the three young men leave her to die for their lives? It's horrible - Is it this horror that LC wants to convey?
But the three were hidden and the old woman 'died without a whisper'...Did they not know that she'd been murdered for them until too late? would they have stepped out anyway? Would this have meant all four would die?
I don't know, this line breaks me.
So heavy. Somehow this line is heavier than 'I've lost my wife and children'
No, I'm not asking for this to be lightened, explained. I just needed to share my feeling somewhere.
Re: The Partisan
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:21 pm
by Vicomte
I think this song shows quite clearly the utter horror and grotesqueness of war. I lived for sometime during the Franco era south of Barca in Spain, I knew several families that had lost loved ones many years before in the civil war and I get a lump in my throat on occasion when this song is sung....
Re: The Partisan
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:52 pm
by abby
Leonard didn't write that song, did he?
Re: The Partisan
Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:28 am
by holydove
abby wrote:Leonard didn't write that song, did he?
No, Leonard didn't write The Partisan. It was written in 1943 in French, by Anna Marly & Emmanuel d'Astier de la Vigerie. It was translated into English by Hy Zaret.
Editing: Leonard didn't write the lyrics; but the musical arrangement is his.
Re: The Partisan
Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:24 am
by Vicomte
Yes, that is the one I first heard in France (where we live now)
Here it is :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZIDTHYmxcg
Re: The Partisan
Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:29 am
by Vicomte
And this one is so very well known in France...........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRBZgOfwK20
Re: The Partisan
Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:46 pm
by Tchocolatl
I don't want to explain anything to you lazysuit (I like this!!!)(It's not me, it's my clothes. Dress for lazyness : the XXIe century yuppy) I just need to share my feelings about this.
"There is no decent place to stand in a massacre."
A war, you know when it begins, you don't know when it ends, and what horrors with no name it will creates. Better not to start a war to being with. Agressivity is not necessarily to be embodied in violence. This song is the song of the Resistance. Now, when you were in the Resistance you were enroled volontarily in a war, you became a volunteer soldier so to speak, and sometimes (ha!), you know, soldiers have to die in order to "win".
In French it is an old man, not an old woman. His gender was lost in the traduction.

It was pretty confusing those war times.
My understanding of this event is that this old person was caught because he/she be known to be in the Resistance, and not because people were hidden in the garret at this very moment. And this person died like a brave soldier.
I finish with another song.
WHERE HAVE ALL THE FLOWERS GONE
words and music by Pete Seeger
performed by Pete Seeger and Tao Rodriguez-Seeger
Where have all the flowers gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the flowers gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the flowers gone?
Girls have picked them every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?
Where have all the young girls gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the young girls gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the young girls gone?
Taken husbands every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?
Where have all the young men gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the young men gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the young men gone?
Gone for soldiers every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?
Where have all the soldiers gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the soldiers gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the soldiers gone?
Gone to graveyards every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?
Where have all the graveyards gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the graveyards gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the graveyards gone?
Covered with flowers every one
When will we ever learn?
When will we ever learn?
Re: The Partisan
Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:38 pm
by holydove
Thanks so much for the links, Vicomte. I've wanted to hear the previous versions, never got around to researching it, was planning to research it now that the topic came up again, & now you have saved me some time! I didn't have a chance to listen yet, but will do so asap - thanks again!
Editing: Now I've listened to both - very nice! Esp. the first one, which is the song we are familiar with, thanks to Mr. Cohen, & the musical arrangement is actually similar to Leonard's. It's lovely hearing the whole song in its French version. Thanks again!
Re: The Partisan
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:46 am
by Vicomte
holydove, this is from the French LC site but in English although some of the spoken word is in French. The links to the different versions are sung in French or English languages. I hope you will find it quite interesting.
http://leonardcohensite.com/partisaneng.htm
I love this version, it is calm but it takes you there and you know what he is singing about, it is from this version that I think LC sings it with such conviction and the same calmness of a torrid time............. he knows.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS5ENsFkcOM
Re: The Partisan
Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 10:16 pm
by holydove
Thank you for the additional links, Vicomte.
It's fascinating to hear Anna Marly doing the original version - I loved that! Mouloudji's rendition is indeed so beautiful & touching - very contemplative & oddly soothing, even though it's a song of such anguish - like you said, quite interesting! (Is that a clarinet in Mouloudji's version? - I couldn't quite tell for sure. . .). I also love the recording of LC in Warsaw, esp. when he inserts the words, "you who know, you who know", with such raw intense emotion. That's all I listened to so far, but I will return to hear more sometime soon. . .
Editing: actually, what I thought might be a clarinet (in Mouloudji's) could be an electronic keyboard/synth. . .
Re: The Partisan
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 1:58 am
by Tony
Re: The Partisan
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 2:15 am
by Vicomte
There are several people's versions on the link that I put on previously, including of course, Anna Marley
Here is the link again.
http://leonardcohensite.com/partisaneng.htm