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Dear members, :idea: here is an idea for discussion that came to me during the course of a long drive home. In the past some have started threads re favourite songs or listings of songs, songwriters etc. This generally does not go very far in terms of dialogue and serves no purpose in this regard. And so I ask not for 'favourites' in this discussion. Here is the notion.
Amongst the great bulk of poetic and lyric literature there are ocassionally phrases, a few lines or a stanza that for some reason or other touches us with its great literary skill or heart-felt insight. Sometimes we are touched because it relates to something from our current or past life. Whatever, we are struck by a "pearl" in the midst of all these verses. I would like to engage discussion on the high points of poetry or lyric that have made a difference, changed a life, touched a nerve, evoked a potent response or confirmed a viewpoint.
Might I suggest that we use this section of the forum to comment on member's works or any other poet/songwriter that comes to mind. "Pearls" extracted from Leonard's work could be posted at the discussions on his songs and poetry.
To start this off I present to you an obscure piece of song from a New Zealand/Australian songwriter. This comes from a solo album by Neil Finn- ex Crowded House, titled "Try Whistling This". The lines are a chorus from a song called 'Faster Than Light'. Neil has been a very successful musician in Australia and New Zealand. How well he is known in other parts of the world is not known to me.
I was struck by the simplicity of his language to express the depth of his insight. Listening to this song made me pay closer attention to his music and my own thought process.

"In time you'll see that some things travel faster than light
In time you'll recognise that love is larger than life.
And praise will come to those who's kindness leaves you without debt
And bends the shape of things to come that haven't happened yet."

What struck me was the directness of his observation and the use of language that in no way is designed to baffle the listener or imply hidden meanings. He is not trying to be clever. He simply wishes to communicate.

As a songwriter I recognise that some of the appeal for these lines may be that it is something I would like to have written. This is something that occurs to me with great frequency as I am always searching for insight to make a decent song. Also as a performing musician this song inspires me as something I would like to add to my repertoire. Hopefully those who have not encountered Neil Finn's music may sometime in the future get that opportunity.

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Hi (or G'day?) Witty Owl,

That's an interesting topic!

Those lines by Neil Finn really are of unadorned beauty.
He seems to be a very sensitive and insightful songwriter.

I love these lines from "Longer Boats" by Cat Stevens, they touch my heart -

'I don't want no god on my lawn, just a flower
I can help along, 'cause the soul of no body
knows, how a flower grows, how a flower grows.'

I share Cat's idea of seeking divinity not in gods and idols created by man himself but in nature and in its mystery.
Tending a little flower and then watching it grow reflects all the wonders of the universe.

I think the contrast
'no god' - 'no body' + 'soul' = no human being
and the alliterations are very beautiful too.

- Susanne
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Yes Half Crazy, I find that identification with nature as divinity highly appealing. I used to sing this song a lot back in the 70's. Too bad he lost the magic and innocence of this outlook when he became Yusef Islam. He may yet turn the full circle but I doubt it.
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Witty Owl,
Sometime ago I had bought 'The Best of Cat Stevens' and along with it came a long recent interview with BBC (bonus CD). I was really impressed with his interview...it was not at all what I had expected (especially after the Salman Rushdie affair etc etc). He was extremely articulate and obviously very intelligent and self-aware. He said he is much happier now having turned his back to commercial music and just being and ordinary person running 4 islamic schools (in London ?).

I appreciate this thread that you started and will make a contribution at some point.
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Witty Owl,
I don't interpret Cat's lyrics in a pantheistic sense, which equates nature with divinity. I think Cat regards nature and Creation as a revelation of God in a monotheistic sense - in contrast to 'a god', that is, a deity or an idol.

In "God is the Light" (1997) Yusuf Islam also refers to Creation as evidence of the divine hand -

'How great the wonders of the heavens
And the timeless beauty of the night
How great -- then how great the Creator?'

These 'poetic pearls' are as precious to me as those from "Longer Boats".

Have you already heard Yusuf's new version of "Peace Train" (released on 6 March 2003)?
I feel it's a true world music song now, partly sung in Zulu by a South African group, and to me it is more beautiful and encouraging than ever.
You can listen to a preview of the new "Peace Train" at http://yusufislam.org.uk/audio/peacetrain.shtml

Love, Susanne
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Re "Cat Stevens",
Isn't it ironic that his "Morning Has Broken" is being sung in thousands of Christian churches and schools across the "civilised" world?
Just a thought, one of many, maybe.
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Re "Morning has Broken",
What's ironic about that?
"Morning has Broken" is a song which praises God's Creation!

BTW
This song wasn't originally a Cat Stevens song. Cat arranged and performed it but the words are from Eleanor Farjeon (1881-1965), a writer of tales and poems for children. She wrote it to a tune that came from a Gaelic melody (1880s), called "Bunessen". It had first been used on a Christmas Carol.
Cat found "Morning has Broken" in a hymn-book in a London bookshop.

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So we see how quickly does the topic of discussion diverge from the original thread. This could easily slide into a "god" discussion and that is the last thing I would wish for here. Sufficient to say Nature is the mystery and that is all that is needed for a poet inspire or be inspired. Any entry into a monotheisic dogma is a step back into the past and an acceptance into having the mystery explained away. I would prefer that we focus on poetry and poetic metaphor and leave theology to discussions elsewhere. :)
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witty_owl wrote: Sufficient to say Nature is the mystery and that is all that is needed for a poet inspire or be inspired. Any entry into a monotheisic dogma is a step back into the past and an acceptance into having the mystery explained away.
That's your personal opinion, and the way you express it sounds very pejorative, categorical and dogmatic.

I was just giving my opinion - to me the monotheistic dogma is the mystery, and nature created by God is just as mysterious.

I think everyone should be allowed to express their personal views without being censored and debased - in spite of different opinions and attitudes.
That's one of the qualities which go to make up a fair and tolerant discussion.

- Susanne
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Nature is a mystery
and so is GOD
we can examine the billions of genetic letters for years to come
and still not understand the creation or the creator
we should all stand in awe
but think we are so smart
it's an amazing genetic cocktail that was given to the apes
to create Knowledge
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Post by Vesuvius »

Ciao Witty,

I am so proud that you, a poet, have used my words "poetic pearls". What are some of your works that you would like us to discuss? I look forward to discussing your poetry. I am sure it will touch many nerves.

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See the discussion has degenerated to a defence of the god business. All I requested is that such discussions could be dealt with elsewhere. There is nowhere for such a discussion to go other than defense of one's personal opinions. Everyone has the right to their own viewpoint but from past experience at the Sony site I know there is nothing to be gained from such an argument. Here the topic is poetry. Okay?
Vesuvius, if you search the archives of the Sony site(various positions) you will find postings of my poetry. A very early entry(for me) was "Ship Of Fools" or "Walking In Places Untended" or "Flights Of fancy".
Further pursuit of 'Religion' or 'God' as a topic here may find that I follow David with his decision.
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Witty Owl,

It's impossible to dictate how threads should proceed. Just because you are the initial poster does not mean that you "own" the thread. No one will care in the least if you take your marbles and go home.
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witty_owl wrote: degenerated to a defence of the god business.

Everyone has the right to their own viewpoint

Here the topic is poetry. Okay?

Further pursuit of 'Religion' or 'God' as a topic here may find that I follow David with his decision.
That was the only thing I tried to express.
I didn't want to argue. I just asked for my personal view to be accepted and respected - and not to be commented on disparagingly, but you keep using derogatory terms.
You have your opinion, and I have mine. I don't attack yours, so please don't attack mine.
I don't like religious discussions either. I think religion is entirely a question of belief and - like taste - cannot be discussed.

I just gave my personal interpretation of those quoted lines.
Unfortunately, some poems and lyrics (- as some poets and songwriters do feel inspired by God -) contain religious terms.
These lines are therefore censored and excluded from discussion, right?

PS: It's not up to you to reprove or to threaten me.

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Susanne,

as I stated more than once in other threads I consider this site to be free speech territory. So no one should try to stop you stating your views. And there mustn't be any form of censorship. You hinted at some "pearls", and you added your interpretation, and you try to defend it - that's your right. Please keep on making use of it.

Witty Owl,
I agree with George Gordon in that nobody is able, or should try, to dictate how a thread is to proceed. Judging from your previous postings, I should regret if you left the forum.
David left after having been nastily attacked on a personal level; it is neither true nor fair to construe any similarity between the situations.

George Gordon,
though I have to agree with some of the content you posted, I feel I should criticize the part about the marbles. I know of at least some that would care...

Tom
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